<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Let me add my voice to the chorus of those supporting the delay of CHEP to 2022. Thanks to Amber, Graham and the rest of the team for helping to negotiate what looks like a smart outcome. Although we might be fortunate and be able to travel internationally earlier, lead times on events like CHEP are long and we also need to let people’s confidence that we can begin to travel to large events come back again.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regarding events next year, though I do miss our f2f interactions, I think that virtual events have their merits and have been quite successful in their own way (the WLCG/HSF workshop, PyHEP and ICHEP I attended, as well as a few smaller workshops). Virtual social sessions as well as more persistent chat rooms (like Mattermost) can help bridge the gap to some of what we have to lose in the current situation. We have a tradition of cooperative and co-located events between CHEP, WLCG and HSF, so it could be that for an online event we even strengthen that. However, there are different goals in an WLCG/HSF workshop, which is a lot focused on ongoing work and outcomes, than CHEP, which is for a more finished stage of software and computing work. So I am happy to explore the idea, but we should be clear about the goals of a chepino. As the human organisation costs for online events are far from negligible we should not organise too many - just one in May 2021 might well be the right number (and the week is well publicised already). I think for a mixed workshop I agree with Oxana that making publications the goal is the wrong focus. Any of the software journals will accept submissions any time. CHEP Proceedings (if one does them for an -ino) rightly have a lower bar and are there to snapshot the community’s work across areas where a full refereed journal publication would be difficult. In other words, they compliment other publication routes.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Graeme</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 31 Aug 2020, at 11:44, Oxana Smirnova <<a href="mailto:oxana.smirnova@hep.lu.se" class="">oxana.smirnova@hep.lu.se</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Hi all,</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I certainly support re-scheduling to 2022!</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">With regards to virtual workshops for the sake of generating publications, I am less enthusiastic. A normal journal paper, like Michel suggests, is still a valid option for those who want to make their results seen. I even have this hope that more people will consider journal publications now that there are fewer conference proceedings.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">But of course topical workshops, perhaps linked to WLCG, HSF and/or HEPiX are always a good idea. And paper-before-talk is an excellent suggestion!</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Cheers,</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Oxana</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On 2020-08-31 08:07, Gordon T. Watts wrote:</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class="">Hi all,<br class=""><br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I like how the form says “2021 or die” rather than “2021 and die”… Sorry – morbid humor. As someone that is organizing a large conference in the summer of 2021…<br class=""><br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I support the rescheduling.<br class=""><br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>As for the smaller workshops (CHEPinos – love that – though some of the “inos” are way more massive, btw, than the SM particles…). I think we might encourage some focused workshps, perhaps, and for those virtual workshops have a publication. It would be a great place, for example, to try out paper-before-talk, etc. This would mean a modest fee, of course, and I think most people would be comfortable paying for that. And doing it with the HSF and perhaps other journals is a great idea.<br class=""><br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Cheers,<br class=""><br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gordon.<br class=""><br class="">*From:* Chep2021-iac <<a href="mailto:chep2021-iac-bounces@jlab.org" class="">chep2021-iac-bounces@jlab.org</a>> *On Behalf Of *Niko Neufeld<br class="">*Sent:* Sunday, August 30, 2020 6:29 AM<br class="">*To:* <a href="mailto:chep2021-iac@jlab.org" class="">chep2021-iac@jlab.org</a><br class="">*Subject:* Re: [Chep2021-iac] [EXTERNAL] Re: CHEP2022??<br class=""><br class="">Dear all,<br class=""><br class="">I am a bit more optimistic regarding the possibility to travel next year than the majority of the list, but of course I fully understand that the financial risk must be minimised. Having been now in some of these pure Online events makes me appreciate a “classical” conference much more than I had before the Covid-crisis (and I still have the fondest memories of my first CHEP in Victoria). It has been mentioned that not having a conference in 2021 might make some younger colleagues miss the opportunity for their first “big” paper during their current contract and given how hard (impossible) it is to place some of our technical work in other computing conferences this is I think a real concern. Maybe around some of the proposed “replacement” events one could organise a light-weight special edition of a journal to give an opportunity for a “real” publication? Of course even with a light-weight editing process as customary for CHEP proceedings this is still a fair amount of work.<br class=""><br class="">It seems to me that in the mid-term what could be useful to have for a big conference like CHEP is a kind of standing account, (maybe fed by the occasional small surplus?) which could be used as an “insurance” in situations such as the present, so that the organizers of future events have a bit more freedom when weighing cost and benefit and risk. Of course we all hope that such an event as Covid remains the rare exception.<br class=""><br class="">Best regards,<br class=""><br class="">Niko<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> On 30 Aug 2020, at 11:14, Lucia Silvestris <<a href="mailto:Lucia.Silvestris@cern.ch" class="">Lucia.Silvestris@cern.ch</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:Lucia.Silvestris@cern.ch" class="">mailto:Lucia.Silvestris@cern.ch</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> Dear Amber, Graham, all;<br class=""><br class=""> First of all, I would like to thanks Amber and the full team for organize this conference in a such difficult time.<br class=""><br class=""> I also support the move to 2022. In addition, as said by Marc will be very important that the different important computing conferences define their new schedule avoiding as much as possible overlap. So will be very important that the different organize committee work together to define new dates.<br class=""><br class=""> Themed virtual workshops in 2021 should be encouraged.<br class=""><br class=""> Let's hope that in between a COVID vaccine is discovered, produced and distributed worldwide, in a way that we can safety restart to travel and have the usual nice conferences in person.<br class=""><br class=""> Lucia<br class=""><br class=""> On 28/08/2020 15:28, Amber Boehnlein wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> Dear CHEP IAC,<br class=""><br class=""> Greetings!<br class=""><br class=""> Jefferson Lab has a new events coordinator on staff, Anita Seay. Her first action was to negotiate with the hotels and the city of Norfolk about the possibilities concerning CHEP2021. The negotiating position is much stronger now than in May. The City of Norfolk and the hotels are making a recommendation to the hotels’ corporate offices of moving the conference without penalty to either Spring or Fall of 2022 if we can sign a contract that commits to an event in Norfolk in 2022 at the original number of attendees.<br class=""><br class=""> This is not the standard process for selecting the next CHEP, I know. Unusual times call for unusual actions. However, please let us know if you concur or not with the prospective date change<br class=""><br class=""> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__forms.gle_BGiM1qxStCagGLeFA&d=DwMFaQ&c=CJqEzB1piLOyyvZjb8YUQw&r=5DZHcMcight_dBsf2ORS9yIAvdeaeNcwHFyhjzgr2qo&m=QLW0CK023i8j3g7y2du6YTl2gLi20ttW4ycZH6uJCgo&s=8N2k6waaALaY9piuSAplY1uBfCvB12oTt9JAGee9isE&e=" class="">https://forms.gle/BGiM1qxStCagGLeFA</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__forms.gle_BGiM1qxStCagGLeFA&d=DwMDaQ&c=CJqEzB1piLOyyvZjb8YUQw&r=5DZHcMcight_dBsf2ORS9yIAvdeaeNcwHFyhjzgr2qo&m=pqausEZlorcMFreG7uEM-p4kLzQpHnjZgdW_U90qq-I&s=CdNzEPHyD_yNadTG5ZL4NHnPyDYXultGOxNJWbAvvc4&e=" class="">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__forms.gle_BGiM1qxStCagGLeFA&d=DwMDaQ&c=CJqEzB1piLOyyvZjb8YUQw&r=5DZHcMcight_dBsf2ORS9yIAvdeaeNcwHFyhjzgr2qo&m=pqausEZlorcMFreG7uEM-p4kLzQpHnjZgdW_U90qq-I&s=CdNzEPHyD_yNadTG5ZL4NHnPyDYXultGOxNJWbAvvc4&e=</a>> If a quorum of you do, and the corporate offices agree, Graham, Anita and I will submit an updated proposal to this body and we can discuss dates.<br class=""><br class=""> We can then discuss what to do about 2021 as well. I like the idea of Regional virtual ‘CHEPinos’ with maybe some abbreviated ‘plenary’ format.<br class=""><br class=""> The alternative is to proceed with the planning for an in-person CHEP2021 for reasons I’ll explain when we next meet.<br class=""><br class=""> Thank you so much, and we request a response by Sept 1.<br class=""><br class=""> Amber and Graham<br class=""><br class=""> Amber Boehnlein<br class=""><br class=""> Computational Sciences and Technology Division Director<br class=""><br class=""> CIO<br class=""><br class=""> Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility<br class=""><br class=""> <a href="mailto:amber@jlab.org" class="">amber@jlab.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:amber@jlab.org" class="">mailto:amber@jlab.org</a>><br class=""><br class=""> 7572697622<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> _______________________________________________<br class=""><br class=""> Chep2021-iac mailing list<br class=""><br class=""> <a href="mailto:Chep2021-iac@jlab.org" class="">Chep2021-iac@jlab.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <<a href="mailto:Chep2021-iac@jlab.org" class="">mailto:Chep2021-iac@jlab.org</a>><br class=""><br class=""> <a href="https://mailman.jlab.org/mailman/listinfo/chep2021-iac" class="">https://mailman.jlab.org/mailman/listinfo/chep2021-iac</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <<a href="https://mailman.jlab.org/mailman/listinfo/chep2021-iac" class="">https://mailman.jlab.org/mailman/listinfo/chep2021-iac</a>><br class=""><br class=""> _______________________________________________<br class=""> Chep2021-iac mailing list<br class=""> <a href="mailto:Chep2021-iac@jlab.org" class="">Chep2021-iac@jlab.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:Chep2021-iac@jlab.org" class="">mailto:Chep2021-iac@jlab.org</a>><br class=""> <a href="https://mailman.jlab.org/mailman/listinfo/chep2021-iac" class="">https://mailman.jlab.org/mailman/listinfo/chep2021-iac</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="https://mailman.jlab.org/mailman/listinfo/chep2021-iac" class="">https://mailman.jlab.org/mailman/listinfo/chep2021-iac</a>><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Chep2021-iac mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Chep2021-iac@jlab.org" class="">Chep2021-iac@jlab.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://mailman.jlab.org/mailman/listinfo/chep2021-iac" class="">https://mailman.jlab.org/mailman/listinfo/chep2021-iac</a><br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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