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<p>Dear all,</p>
<p>let me also thank the organising committee for managing so well
the organisation of such a big event in this unique situation. <br>
</p>
<p>I support rescheduling CHEP in 2022. Let me reinforce a point
which has been raised already: the CHEP proceedings are about the
only way to document in a paper the progress done in many corners
in the area of software and computing, especially by younger
colleagues. For what concerns the form in which we prefer to have
a checkpoint in 2021, both CHEP-inos and attaching topical
workshop(s) to other events could work.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p> Danilo<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31.08.20 11:57, Concezio Bozzi
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<div class="">first of all I would like to thank the organising
committee for all their efforts in these very challenging time
to organise a big conference as CHEP. </div>
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<div class="">I also support rescheduling to 2022. The idea of
online topical workshop(s) in 2021, as others have suggested, is
a good one, provided we avoid clashing with other events. I also
agree with the idea of journal publications before the event(s),
to boost the publication rate of our community, People are doing
a lot of good work but they are generally shy in publishing
their results. <br class="">
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for the sake of generating publications, I am less
enthusiastic. A normal journal paper, like Michel
suggests, is still a valid option for those who want to
make their results seen. I even have this hope that more
people will consider journal publications now that there
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perhaps linked to WLCG, HSF and/or HEPiX are always a good
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Hi all,<br class="">
<br class="">
<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I like how
the form says “2021 or die” rather than “2021 and die”…
Sorry – morbid humor. As someone that is organizing a
large conference in the summer of 2021…<br class="">
<br class="">
<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I support the
rescheduling.<br class="">
<br class="">
<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>As for the
smaller workshops (CHEPinos – love that – though some of
the “inos” are way more massive, btw, than the SM
particles…). I think we might encourage some focused
workshps, perhaps, and for those virtual workshops have a
publication. It would be a great place, for example, to
try out paper-before-talk, etc. This would mean a modest
fee, of course, and I think most people would be
comfortable paying for that. And doing it with the HSF and
perhaps other journals is a great idea.<br class="">
<br class="">
<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Cheers,<br
class="">
<br class="">
<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gordon.<br
class="">
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*From:* Chep2021-iac <<a
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*On Behalf Of *Niko Neufeld<br class="">
*Sent:* Sunday, August 30, 2020 6:29 AM<br class="">
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*Subject:* Re: [Chep2021-iac] [EXTERNAL] Re: CHEP2022??<br
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Dear all,<br class="">
<br class="">
I am a bit more optimistic regarding the possibility to
travel next year than the majority of the list, but of
course I fully understand that the financial risk must be
minimised. Having been now in some of these pure Online
events makes me appreciate a “classical” conference much
more than I had before the Covid-crisis (and I still have
the fondest memories of my first CHEP in Victoria). It has
been mentioned that not having a conference in 2021 might
make some younger colleagues miss the opportunity for
their first “big” paper during their current contract and
given how hard (impossible) it is to place some of our
technical work in other computing conferences this is I
think a real concern. Maybe around some of the proposed
“replacement” events one could organise a light-weight
special edition of a journal to give an opportunity for a
“real” publication? Of course even with a light-weight
editing process as customary for CHEP proceedings this is
still a fair amount of work.<br class="">
<br class="">
It seems to me that in the mid-term what could be useful
to have for a big conference like CHEP is a kind of
standing account, (maybe fed by the occasional small
surplus?) which could be used as an “insurance” in
situations such as the present, so that the organizers of
future events have a bit more freedom when weighing cost
and benefit and risk. Of course we all hope that such an
event as Covid remains the rare exception.<br class="">
<br class="">
Best regards,<br class="">
<br class="">
Niko<br class="">
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On 30 Aug 2020, at 11:14, Lucia Silvestris <<a
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wrote:<br class="">
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Dear Amber, Graham, all;<br class="">
<br class="">
First of all, I would like to thanks Amber and the full
team for organize this conference in a such difficult
time.<br class="">
<br class="">
I also support the move to 2022. In addition, as said
by Marc will be very important that the different
important computing conferences define their new schedule
avoiding as much as possible overlap. So will be very
important that the different organize committee work
together to define new dates.<br class="">
<br class="">
Themed virtual workshops in 2021 should be encouraged.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Let's hope that in between a COVID vaccine is
discovered, produced and distributed worldwide, in a way
that we can safety restart to travel and have the usual
nice conferences in person.<br class="">
<br class="">
Lucia<br class="">
<br class="">
On 28/08/2020 15:28, Amber Boehnlein wrote:<br class="">
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Dear CHEP IAC,<br class="">
<br class="">
Greetings!<br class="">
<br class="">
Jefferson Lab has a new events coordinator on
staff, Anita Seay. Her first action was to negotiate with
the hotels and the city of Norfolk about the possibilities
concerning CHEP2021. The negotiating position is much
stronger now than in May. The City of Norfolk and the
hotels are making a recommendation to the hotels’
corporate offices of moving the conference without penalty
to either Spring or Fall of 2022 if we can sign a contract
that commits to an event in Norfolk in 2022 at the
original number of attendees.<br class="">
<br class="">
This is not the standard process for selecting the
next CHEP, I know. Unusual times call for unusual
actions. However, please let us know if you concur or not
with the prospective date change<br class="">
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a quorum of you do, and the corporate offices agree,
Graham, Anita and I will submit an updated proposal to
this body and we can discuss dates.<br class="">
<br class="">
We can then discuss what to do about 2021 as well.
I like the idea of Regional virtual ‘CHEPinos’ with maybe
some abbreviated ‘plenary’ format.<br class="">
<br class="">
The alternative is to proceed with the planning for
an in-person CHEP2021 for reasons I’ll explain when we
next meet.<br class="">
<br class="">
Thank you so much, and we request a response by
Sept 1.<br class="">
<br class="">
Amber and Graham<br class="">
<br class="">
Amber Boehnlein<br class="">
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Computational Sciences and Technology Division
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