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Hi Marco,</div>
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Thanks for the questions and comments. Here are the answers to some of your questions.</div>
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- What do you mean by "pixel": Is it a SiPM ?</div>
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In the geometry the sensor plane is segmented into 50 um x 50 um "cells" . So, a "pixel" is one of these "cells".</div>
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- You ask at least 10 photons, and take the time of<br>
the first, is it correct ?</div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">Yes, the event is required to have at least 10 unique pixels hit. Then I take the first photon (one with minimum time).</span><br>
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- Do you vary the impact position of the proton or<br>
take just the middle of the bar ?</div>
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The impact position is fixed for all events (middle of bar).</div>
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- Cherenkov radiation is prompt, scintillation is<br>
slow. How can the second arrives earlier ?</div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">I'm not entirely sure, maybe Cherenkov photon can arrive late since it's emitted at an angle?</span><br>
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- The scale factor describes the fraction of detected<br>
light. I am not sure it drives the resolution. Can not<br>
you consider only the photons within the sensor<br>
equivalent area ?</div>
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>From the simulation we found that the mean number of photons detected is proportional to ratio of areas considered for sensors and time resolution roughly varies as sqrt(number of photons).</div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">In the current geometry sensor plane covers the entire cross section on one end of the bar.<br>
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- What is the difference between coloumn 2 and 3: is<br>
the 2 the first photon, and 3 the threshold time ?</div>
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Yes, column 2 is resolution from first photon (as in top plot in slide 3) and column 3 is using threshold time (as in right plot in slide 5).</div>
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- Which electronics are you considering ?<br>
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- In the last two rows, 10 mm is thickness or width ?<br>
Row 4 is better than row 2, and row 5 is better than 3<br>
while I would expect the contrary for wider tiles.</div>
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10 mm is the width of the bar.</div>
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You may consider also this benchmark:<br>
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T.~Rostomyan et al., {\it Timing detectors with SiPM<br>
read-out for the MUSE experiment at PSI},<br>
Nucl. Instrum. Meth. A 986 (2021) 164801.</div>
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Thanks, I'll take a look.</div>
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Regards,</div>
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Nilanga Wickramaarachchi</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 17, 2025 11:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nilanga Wickramaarachchi, Ph.D. via Clas12_rgh <clas12_rgh@jlab.org><br>
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<div class="PlainText">Hi Nilanga,<br>
thank you for this interesting study. You are welcome to<br>
present it next time. Meanwhile, let me ask you some<br>
clarification:<br>
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Slide 2:<br>
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<br>
- What do you mean by "pixel": Is it a SiPM ?<br>
<br>
- You ask at least 10 photons, and take the time of<br>
the first, is it correct ?<br>
<br>
- Do you vary the impact position of the proton or<br>
take just the middle of the bar ?<br>
<br>
------------------<br>
Slide 3:<br>
------------------<br>
<br>
- Cherenkov radiation is prompt, scintillation is<br>
slow. How can the second arrives earlier ?<br>
<br>
------------------<br>
Slide 5:<br>
------------------<br>
<br>
- The scale factor describes the fraction of detected<br>
light. I am not sure it drives the resolution. Can not<br>
you consider only the photons within the sensor<br>
equivalent area ?<br>
<br>
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Slide 6:<br>
------------------<br>
<br>
- What is the difference between coloumn 2 and 3: is<br>
the 2 the first photon, and 3 the threshold time ?<br>
<br>
- Which electronics are you considering ?<br>
<br>
- In the last two rows, 10 mm is thickness or width ?<br>
Row 4 is better than row 2, and row 5 is better than 3<br>
while I would expect the contrary for wider tiles.<br>
<br>
I guess PANDA combines the sensors at both ends, i.e.<br>
has a sort of 1/sqrt(2) improvement.<br>
<br>
<br>
You may consider also this benchmark:<br>
<br>
T.~Rostomyan et al., {\it Timing detectors with SiPM <br>
read-out for the MUSE experiment at PSI},<br>
Nucl. Instrum. Meth. A 986 (2021) 164801.<br>
<br>
Ciao, Marco.<br>
<br>
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, Nilanga Wickramaarachchi, Ph.D. via Clas12_rgh wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hi All,<br>
> <br>
> I uploaded a few slides on TOF timing resolution studies to the meeting wiki page.<br>
> <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://clasweb.jlab.org/wiki/images/b/b2/RGH_Update_02_17_2025.pdf__;!!OToaGQ!tXRbmZcOYPNykUNU8A4sgAS_7InCzWaW1LBKllbJ-fWvsq1hvq38iKtO2iGZ8POJ_6aUqw-J8yFRYjMYpoMsLqGYJ40nXLSj$">
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> I can present it at the next meeting.<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> Nilanga Wickramaarachchi<br>
> <br>
> ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________<br>
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> Subject: [Clas12_rgh] [EXTERNAL] RGH meeting February 17 <br>
> Dear all,<br>
> the next RGH meeting is scheduled for Monday<br>
> February 17 at 8:00 am EST (2 pm CET).<br>
> <br>
> We will discuss the recoil status and plans<br>
> for background studies.<br>
> <br>
> Please let me know if you are ready to present a<br>
> contribution and be ready to upload it on the<br>
> wiki:<br>
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