[Clas12_rich] RICH electronics

[Eugene Pasyuk]

The numbers keep changing :)
HV 6U->5U
fibers 1U -> 4U
LV 2U -> 0U
You guys should settle on something. 
With new number for HV distribution 2 CAEN + 2 HV distributions = 26U will not fit in the same rack. It would be logical to have them in separate racks. C3-5 is closer to sector 4 (RICH1) and C3-7 is closer to sector 1 (RICH2)

-Eugene

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matteo Turisini" <matteo.turisini at gmail.com>
> To: "Eugene Pasyuk" <pasyuk at jlab.org>
> Cc: "Tyler Lemon" <tlemon at jlab.org>, "Serguei Boiarinov" <boiarino at jlab.org>, "clas12 rich" <clas12_rich at jlab.org>,
> "Patrizia Rossi" <rossi at jlab.org>, "Valery Kubarovsky" <vpk at jlab.org>, "Marc McMullen" <mcmullen at jlab.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 1:01:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Clas12_rich] RICH electronics

> Dear all,
> 
> the position of the RICHs in CLAS12 will be as in the attached pdf file
> I don’t know the coding convention for the wedges so I arbitrarly numbered them
> from 1 to 6.
> The first RICH module to be installed would be in sector 4 (on the right in the
> picture).
> 
> About rack space, one VSX crate is enough for 2 RICH.
> It’s hard to say now if one power supply (CAEN SY4527) will be adequate for both
> modules , let’s keep one SY4527 per module for the moment. If possible For this
> reason it would be confortable to foresee the power supplies for the  RICH1 and
> RICH2 on the same rack.
> 
> The Fiber optics distribution and the LV distribution are currently under
> optimization so the maximum space needed for one RICH:
> 
> VSX  = 11 U
> Fiber Distribution = 4U
> PoweSupply = 8U
> HV distribution = 5 U
> 
> The LV distribution will be done at the patch panels so it doesn’t need rack
> space.
> 
> If there is space behind the VSX crate we could save 4 U of vertical space of
> the fiber distribution by placing it behind the VXS.
> Another option under study is to use higher density connector and put all the
> fiber distribution in only 1U
> 
> I’ll keep you updated,
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Matteo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Il giorno 21 lug 2016, alle ore 20:12, Eugene Pasyuk <pasyuk at jlab.org> ha
>> scritto:
>> 
>> Somehow the numbers don't match up.
>> CAEN = 8U
>> HV distribution = 6U
>> LV distribution = 2U
>> VXS crate = 11U
>> Fiber panel = 1U
>> All together = 28U and you assumed 24U of free space.
>> 
>> We don't need two VXS crates. If it is just 5 SSP boards per RICH one crate can
>> accommodate readout for 3 RICH detectors.
>> Then the layout can be C3-4: slow controls. C3-5: RICH1 CAEN and HV/LV
>> distribution, C3-6: VXS crate for both RICH1 and RICH2, C3-7 RICH2 CAEN and
>> HV/LV distribution. I assume RICH1 is sector 3 and RICH2 is sector 2, correct?
>> To estimate the cable length I need to know the location of the patch panels on
>> the detector box. This would define the routing.
>> 
>> -Eugene
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tyler Lemon" <tlemon at jlab.org>
>>> To: "Eugene Pasyuk" <pasyuk at jlab.org>, "Serguei Boiarinov" <boiarino at jlab.org>,
>>> "clas12 rich" <clas12_rich at jlab.org>,
>>> "Matteo Turisini" <matteo.turisini at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "Patrizia Rossi" <rossi at jlab.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 1:36:01 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Clas12_rich] RICH electronics
>> 
>>> Dear Eugene,
>>> 
>>> After discussion, the DSG thinks that the best place for the electronic
>>> readouts, DAQ, and cRIO would definitely be the space shown in Marc’s diagram
>>> for rack C3-4, C3-5, and C3-7. I have left the diagrams for these racks
>>> attached for convenience.
>>> With respect to the patch panel, it would be good to have the documentation for
>>> it and junction boxes so we can assist with and support the assembly of the
>>> detector.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Tyler
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Marc McMullen" <mcmullen at jlab.org>
>>> To: "Eugene Pasyuk" <pasyuk at jlab.org>, "Serguei Boiarinov" <boiarino at jlab.org>
>>> Cc: "Patrizia Rossi" <rossi at jlab.org>, "clas12 rich" <clas12_rich at jlab.org>,
>>> "Matteo Turisini" <matteo.turisini at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 1:17:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Clas12_rich] RICH electronics
>>> 
>>> Hi Eugene,
>>> 
>>> We are proposing this layout of the RICH electronics on Forward Carriage Deck 3,
>>> using racks C3-4, C3-5 (RICH 1 and Gas Controls), and C3-7(RICH 2). The diagram
>>> shows 24U of rack space allocated per rack. This location would assure that
>>> cable lengths can be kept minimal for both RICH detectors. I have included
>>> photos of the locations. I think if the HV crates for FTOF are lowered 5-6
>>> inches (see rack bottom photos for C3-4 and 5) and the cable management (at the
>>> top) is removed there should be enough space.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Marc McMullen
>>> Physics Division
>>> Detector Support Group
>>> 7738
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Eugene Pasyuk" <pasyuk at jlab.org>
>>> To: "Matteo Turisini" <matteo.turisini at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "rossi patrizia" <rossi at jlab.org>, "clas12 rich" <clas12_rich at jlab.org>,
>>> "Serguei Boiarinov" <boiarino at jlab.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 10:39:18 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Clas12_rich] RICH electronics
>>> 
>>> Matteo,
>>> 
>>> You added junction boxes. How much rack space is needed for those? Is it a
>>> single box or three separate ones?
>>> 
>>> -Eugene
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Matteo Turisini" <matteo.turisini at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Eugene Pasyuk" <pasyuk at jlab.org>
>>>> Cc: "Valery Kubarovsky" <vpk at jlab.org>, "Tyler Lemon" <tlemon at jlab.org>, "clas12
>>>> rich" <clas12_rich at jlab.org>, "Patrizia
>>>> Rossi" <rossi at jlab.org>, "Serguei Boiarinov" <boiarino at jlab.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 9:04:24 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: RICH electronics
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> after the last meeting with Valery, Chris and Ben I revised the services
>>>> diagram. The updated version is attached.
>>>> 
>>>> Matteo
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Il giorno 20 lug 2016, alle ore 22:16, Eugene Pasyuk <pasyuk at jlab.org> ha
>>>>> scritto:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ok. So, We need to find place for one CAEN crate with HV and LV boards and one
>>>>> VXS crate with SSP boards.
>>>>> Could you remind in which sector RICH will be installed. Is it 3 or 4?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Eugene
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Valery Kubarovsky" <vpk at jlab.org>
>>>>>> To: "Eugene Pasyuk" <pasyuk at jlab.org>
>>>>>> Cc: "Tyler Lemon" <tlemon at jlab.org>, "clas12 rich" <clas12_rich at jlab.org>,
>>>>>> "Patrizia Rossi" <rossi at jlab.org>, "Matteo
>>>>>> Turisini" <matteo.turisini at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 2:40:31 PM
>>>>>> Subject: RICH electronics
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> Matteo prepared the service scheme diagram that is attached to this mail.
>>>>>> The cable's lengths are not exact for a moment.
>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> Valery
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Eugene Pasyuk" <pasyuk at jlab.org>
>>>>>>> To: "Valery Kubarovsky" <vpk at jlab.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: "Tyler Lemon" <tlemon at jlab.org>, "Serguei Boiarinov" <boiarino at jlab.org>,
>>>>>>> "Doug Tilles" <tilles at jlab.org>, "clas12
>>>>>>> rich" <clas12_rich at jlab.org>, "rossi patrizia" <rossi at jlab.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 5:22:31 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Clas12_rich] RICH electronics in rack next to cRIO on Forward
>>>>>>> Carriage level 3
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It would be good to see the layout of all your electronics, front-end, back-end,
>>>>>>> power supplies, also all cables/fibers (how many), etc. Are there any
>>>>>>> limitations on the cable length? I suppose you have a diagram.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Eugene
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Valery Kubarovsky" <vpk at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>> To: "Eugene Pasyuk" <pasyuk at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: "Tyler Lemon" <tlemon at jlab.org>, "Serguei Boiarinov" <boiarino at jlab.org>,
>>>>>>>> "Doug Tilles" <tilles at jlab.org>, "clas12
>>>>>>>> rich" <clas12_rich at jlab.org>, "Patrizia Rossi" <rossi at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 5:16:08 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Clas12_rich] RICH electronics in rack next to cRIO on Forward
>>>>>>>> Carriage level 3
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dear Tylor,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We don't want to keep all components of the RICH electronics at the same place.
>>>>>>>> The DAQ electronics will be placed in the special crates together with other
>>>>>>>> CLAS12 DAQ components.
>>>>>>>> The HV and low voltage will use one CAEN crate. And again it is not necessary to
>>>>>>>> keep this crate close to cRIO. It has to be close to the RICH itself.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Valery
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Eugene Pasyuk" <pasyuk at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Tyler Lemon" <tlemon at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Serguei Boiarinov" <boiarino at jlab.org>, "Doug Tilles" <tilles at jlab.org>,
>>>>>>>>> "clas12 rich" <clas12_rich at jlab.org>,
>>>>>>>>> "rossi patrizia" <rossi at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:33:10 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Clas12_rich] RICH electronics in rack next to cRIO on Forward
>>>>>>>>> Carriage level 3
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Tyler,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We need to know exactly how much space you need. We cannot put any extra racks
>>>>>>>>> on the forward carriage but have to use free space in existing ones. Or put
>>>>>>>>> this electronics on the pie tower. Could you tell exactly what goes there? One
>>>>>>>>> CAEN mainframe? One VME crate? Anything else?
>>>>>>>>> How critical is it to have it close to cRIO? How close?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Eugene
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Tyler Lemon" <tlemon at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Eugene Pasyuk" <pasyuk at jlab.org>, "clas12 rich" <clas12_rich at jlab.org>,
>>>>>>>>>> "Serguei Boiarinov" <boiarino at jlab.org>,
>>>>>>>>>> "Doug Tilles" <tilles at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Patrizia Rossi" <rossi at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:20:58 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: RICH electronics in rack next to cRIO on Forward Carriage level 3
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Eugene,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> We want the electronics in the rack next to to the cRIO to keep all components
>>>>>>>>>> close to each other.
>>>>>>>>>> This rack would house the power supplies for the detector (CAEN SY4527) and the
>>>>>>>>>> readout electronics.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Best regard,
>>>>>>>>>> Tyler
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