[Clascomment] OPT-IN: Differential cross sections and polarization observables from the CLAS Kâ photoproduction and search for new Nâ states

[John W. Price]

Hi all:

Neither the charter nor the bylaws has much to say either way on the subject of "first" authorship.  While I did not do an exhaustive search, I believe that this is a complete list of the relevant statements in the Charter and Bylaws:

Charter
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II.C.3: A limited member ... may be included as an author only on the papers which result from those proposals or CAA's for which he/she has been approved for limited membership.

VI.G: The Membership Committee ... is responsible for ... determining the authorship of publications.

XII.B.6: It is the responsibility of the lead authors to initially determine which limited members (if any) shall be included on the author list.

XII.B.7: In case of disputes, the CLAS Coordinating Committee ... Will make final decisions on authorship.

Bylaws
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C.7.d: The list of authors is to be alphabetical from A to Z.  The lead authors, however, will be listed first, in an order of their choosing.  The list of lead authors will be reviewed by the relevant PWG.  In cases where results of a Ph.D. project are published, the name of the student is to be listed first, at least in the first publication of these results.  Limited members added at the discretion of Spokespersons may be listed either among the lead authors or in the main body of the list.  Disputes are to be mediated by the Coordinating Committee.

For me, the phrase "in an order of their choosing" seems to be the most pertinent to this situation.  If the lead authors want to list Alexey first, then as long as (a) Wei has been listed first in a prior publication (which Ken states that he has), and (b) Alexey is a limited member for the purpose of this analysis (which I do not know either way, but even if he is not, it is a trivial matter to change), they can do so.

John

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> On May 22, 2016, at 16:34, Viktor Mokeev <mokeev at jlab.org> wrote:
> 
> I share Eugene opinion.
> 
> Best Regards,
>                    Victor
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pasyuk" <pasyuk at jlab.org>
> To: "Igor Strakovsky" <igor at gwu.edu>, "clascomment" <clascomment at jlab.org>
> Cc: "Kenneth Hicks" <hicks at ohio.edu>, tangwei at jlab.org, "Viktor Mokeev" <mokeev at jlab.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 7:26:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Clascomment]    OPT-IN: Differential cross sections and polarization observables from the CLAS Kâ photoproduction and search for new Nâ states
> 
> Igor, 
> 
> I am afraid it is not up to you or collaboration to decide who is the first author. This choice is up to the lead author group and they know better who contributed what. 
> 
> -Eugene 
> 
>> From: "Igor Strakovsky" <igor at gwu.edu>
>> To: "Kenneth Hicks" <hicks at ohio.edu>
>> Cc: tangwei at jlab.org, "Victor Mokeev" <mokeev at jlab.org>, "clascomment"
>> <clascomment at jlab.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 7:10:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Clascomment] OPT-IN: Differential cross sections and polarization
>> observables from the CLAS Kâ photoproduction and search for new Nâ states
> 
>> Dear Ken,
>> Personally, I do not think that was a right decision. You have to understand
>> that is a precedent. There are
>> no CLAS Collaboration experimental (not analysis) papers with the first author
>> who was out of the analysis
>> of the real experimental data. If majority of the CLAS Collaboration will accept
>> your position then that is all
>> what I can say now
> 
>> Thanks for your prompt reaction,
>> Igor
> 
>> -----
>> Igor Strakovsky, SAID INS The George Washington University
>> Tel: 571-553-8344,Skype: igors1945_2, Fax: 202-994-3001
>> Cell: 703-728-5627, Emails: igor at gwu.edu , igor at jlab.org
> 
>> On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Hicks, Kenneth < hicks at ohio.edu > wrote:
> 
>>> Dear Igor,
> 
>>> Thank you for your comment, but my student, Wei Tang, already was first author
>>> on the cross section paper (see Ref. [4] of the paper under review). Alexey did
>>> most of the work for this follow up paper. I think he clearly deserves to be
>>> first author. These decisions are best reached by the group of lead authors and
>>> I am very comfortable with the order of authors given.
> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Ken
> 
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Igor Strakovsky < igor at gwu.edu >
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 6:02:18 PM
>>> To: clasmbr at jlab.org ; clascomment at jlab.org ; Hicks, Kenneth; mokeev at jlab.org ;
>>> jprice at csudh.edu ; tangwei at jlab.org
>>> Subject: OPT-IN: Differential cross sections and polarization observables from
>>> the CLAS Kâ photoproduction and search for new Nâ states
> 
>>> Dear Ken, Alexey, Eberhard, Viktor, and Andrey,
> 
>>> Thank you very much for a good piece of physics. It is difficult to write
>>> comments after Dan Carman.
> 
>>> My main concern is not about physics. I do not think that Alexey can be the
>>> first author of the CLAS experimental paper. He did nothing for analysis, did
>>> not take shifts and so
>>> on. Sorry, Alexey, nothing personal. My suggestion is that Ken (corresponding
>>> author)
>>> or his student must be the first.
> 
>>> Then back to physics...
> 
>>> 1) pg 1, left, 1st phrase: "The threshold...": I do not think that this phrase
>>> does make any sense - please rephrase it
> 
>>> 2) pg 1, left 3rd phrase: This statement is wrong. Then I disagreed with the
>>> Volker's position which is a misinterpretation of our GW SAID results (latest
>>> PWA of piN elastic scattering data). Our position is solid - there is no
>>> evidence to support P11(1710).
>>> You have to rephrase or skip it.
> 
>>> That is all by now,
>>> Igor
> 
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