Hi Brad,<br><br> Here are the overlaid peds that you wanted.<br><br><a href="http://www.jlab.org/~posik/d2n/BB/cer/peds/led_beam_beam.png">http://www.jlab.org/~posik/d2n/BB/cer/peds/led_beam_beam.png</a><br><br><a href="http://www.jlab.org/~posik/d2n/BB/cer/peds/led_beam_rhrs.png">http://www.jlab.org/~posik/d2n/BB/cer/peds/led_beam_rhrs.png</a><br>
<br>Looking at these it seems that only the beamline side peds shifted with beam.<br><br> I took the "beam on" peds from run 1849 which was a 5-pass He3 8uA run and overlaid the peds from LED runs 1828(beam line side) and 1834(rhrs side).<br>
<br>The red histos are "beam on" and the blue histos are "LED" .<br><br>I will be happy to show this as well as the peds from the hardware configurations at the next d2 meeting. <br><br>-matt<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Brad Sawatzky <<a href="mailto:brads@jlab.org">brads@jlab.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">
Hi Matt,<br>
<br>
Please overlay the LED, beam-off, and beam-on pedestals all on the same<br>
plot. It's a little hard to compare the plots below since they have<br>
different x-axis and the png files are reduced enough that the legend is<br>
illegible.<br>
<br>
Your APS stuff takes priority though. I'll be happy if you can present<br>
these plots at our next phone meeting.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
-- Brad<br>
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On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, MATTHEW R POSIK wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hi Brad,<br>
><br>
> Here are the peds from an LED and a fivepass run with ~8uA current, both<br>
> taken on the 1881 ADC.<br>
><br>
> LED beam line side:<br>
> <a href="http://jlab.org/%7Eposik/d2n/BB/cer/peds/led/1829.png">http://jlab.org/~posik/d2n/BB/cer/peds/led/1829.png</a><br>
><br>
> LED RHRS side:<br>
> <a href="http://jlab.org/%7Eposik/d2n/BB/cer/peds/led/1834.png">http://jlab.org/~posik/d2n/BB/cer/peds/led/1834.png</a><br>
><br>
> fivepass beam line side:<br>
> <a href="http://jlab.org/%7Eposik/d2n/BB/cer/peds/fivepass/1849_beam.png">http://jlab.org/~posik/d2n/BB/cer/peds/fivepass/1849_beam.png</a><br>
><br>
> fivepass rhrs side:<br>
> <a href="http://jlab.org/%7Eposik/d2n/BB/cer/peds/fivepass/1849_RHRS.png">http://jlab.org/~posik/d2n/BB/cer/peds/fivepass/1849_RHRS.png</a><br>
><br>
> I will get working looking at the peds over all hardware changes as you<br>
> suggested in the previous email. Been a little slow with the APS talk.<br>
><br>
> -matt<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Brad Sawatzky <<a href="mailto:brads@jlab.org">brads@jlab.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > On Fri, 05 Feb 2010, <a href="mailto:posik@jlab.org">posik@jlab.org</a> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > So I looked at the Big bite cerenkov ped location for run 1849, which<br>
> > > is a He3 production run at ~8-9 uA. I did this by plotting the ADC<br>
> > > for the first 100,000 events and making a T8 trigger cut (pulser)<br>
> > > which is "(DBB.evtypebits&1<<8)==(1<<8)". Using this cut, I then fit a<br>
> > > Gaussian to the ped and extract the mean. Then I compared these "beam<br>
> > > on" ped positions with those of the LED runs. Here is a list of the<br>
> > > mean ped values:<br>
> > [ . . . ]<br>
> ><br>
> > Interesting. Good work! Please generate a couple of slides showing the<br>
> > LED-run pedestals overlaid on top of the beam pedestals for the 20 PMTs.<br>
> > I'd like to see how the characteristics of the pedestal change.<br>
> ><br>
> > Also, we need to determine if the pedestals change between the LED runs<br>
> > and what you show here is due to beam loading or something else. Look<br>
> > for a cosmics/no-beam run in this period and redo your pedestal checks<br>
> > (and generate the above plots) for a beam-off run and an adjacent<br>
> > beam-on run.<br>
> ><br>
> > If you can find appropriate runs, here's what would be ideal:<br>
> > A) peds with beam-off (cosmics or rest run)<br>
> > B) peds at low current (1 uA or so)<br>
> > C) peds at full current<br>
> > Having A-C for each hardware configuration (v792, 1881, with pre-amp on<br>
> > beamline side, without pre-amp on beamline side). would help<br>
> > disentangle configuration from beam-loading effects.<br>
> ><br>
> > > You can see that there is a significant ped drift with the beam line<br>
> > > side pmts (1-10) from the LED peds, and the RHRS side (pmts 11-20) are<br>
> > > fairly close to the LED peds. I also calculated the rates for this<br>
> > > run, using TDC hits and cutting away beam trips, here are the results:<br>
> > [ . . . ]<br>
> > Rate for cell 05: 0.9315 MHz<br>
> > ------------------------<br>
> > Rate for cell 06: 0.4108 MHz<br>
> > ------------------------<br>
> > Rate for cell 07: 1.0756 MHz<br>
> > ------------------------<br>
> > Rate for cell 08: 0.7693 MHz<br>
> > ------------------------<br>
> > Rate for cell 09: 0.9036 MHz<br>
> > ------------------------<br>
> > Rate for cell 10: 0.7387 MHz<br>
> > ------------------------<br>
> > Rate for cell 11: 0.1087 MHz<br>
> > ------------------------<br>
> > Rate for cell 12: 0.0224 MHz<br>
> > ------------------------<br>
> > Rate for cell 13: 0.0802 MHz<br>
> > ------------------------<br>
> > Rate for cell 14: 0.0816 MHz<br>
> > [ . . . ]<br>
> ><br>
> > > pmt 6 and 12 seem to be much lower than the rest of the pmts on that<br>
> > > side. This was also seen in run 1848.<br>
> ><br>
> > There was some Pb shielding installed at the beamline height on the<br>
> > beamline side. The shadow should have been cast over more than PMTs 6,<br>
> > 12 though... I'm not sure what's going on there.<br>
> ><br>
> > I don't think I beleive the 20kHz number associated with cell 12.<br>
> > There's either a bug in the calculation, or the hardware is doing<br>
> > something really strange.<br>
> ><br>
> > > Using these ped values as well as mirror and TDC cuts I plotted the<br>
> > > ADC for mirror 3 (1849_mir3_pe.png) and 12 (1849_mir12_pe.png) for run<br>
> > > 1849. Please note that the x-axis is in #p.e. The red histo is the<br>
> > > signal and blue histo is an off mirror background. Mirror 3 shows<br>
> > > about 4-6 p.e and mirror 12 7-8 p.e. I am thinking about including<br>
> > > these two images in my APS talk.<br>
> ><br>
> > Using PMT 12 as a 'representative' histogram probably isn't a good idea.<br>
> > What do 11 and 13 look like?<br>
> ><br>
> > > So since the ped were stable with beam on/off with the v792 ADC, then<br>
> > > that means the 1881 ADC is responsible for the ped shift. I assume<br>
> > > then is has to do with the electronic differences between the 792 and<br>
> > > 1881. I was wondering what exactly this difference is that results in<br>
> > > the ped location shifting with beam on/off?<br>
> ><br>
> > I did the with/without beam pedestal stability test before Transversity.<br>
> > All I can say is that it was stable then. That was with the v792s and<br>
> > with no extra amplification on the beamline side PMTs...<br>
> ><br>
> > I suspect/hope that the difference you see is due to some other change<br>
> > that happened at the same time. The tests mentioned at the top of the<br>
> > email should clarify things.<br>
> ><br>
> > -- Brad<br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
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