[Dsg-halla_gem] new test ECAL prototype

Marc Mcmullen mcmullen at jlab.org
Mon Oct 31 12:59:19 EDT 2022 

[cid:ec6b891e-de33-4c87-a5fc-032138a939a0]Hi Albert and Bogdan,

Per our conversation this morning, I have delivered 11 heaters to your lab (EEL 122). I will use the 12th heater to develop and test the controls and monitoring.

I will set up a meeting to discuss the project and send an invite to this mailing list.

Regards,
Marc

________________________________
From: Dsg-halla_gem <dsg-halla_gem-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of Marc Mcmullen via Dsg-halla_gem <dsg-halla_gem at jlab.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:48 PM
To: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
Cc: dsg-halla_gem at jlab.org <dsg-halla_gem at jlab.org>; Donald Jones <jonesdc at jlab.org>
Subject: Re: [Dsg-halla_gem] new test ECAL prototype

Hi Albert,

I have reached out to the vendor to see the status of the shipment. When the heaters arrive I will need one to develop the controls and monitoring. We will also need a supermodule.

 I’ll notify Bogdan when I receive the heaters and at that point we’ll plan a meeting to discuss the progress of the testing as well as the controls and monitoring.

Regards,
Marc

________________________________
From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 11:35 AM
To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
Cc: Mark Jones <jones at jlab.org>; Bogdan Wojtsekhowski <bogdanw at jlab.org>; Donald Jones <jonesdc at jlab.org>
Subject: Re: new test ECAL prototype

Hi Marc,

Please tell me you got a new heater?
When you get it, give it to Bogdan.
Donald is making a new HAList for new thermal tests.

Thank you,
Albert

> Hi Albert,
>
> Attached is the drawing for CHR part number 21343. This is the custom
> silicon heater we have ordered.
>
> Regards,
> Marc
>
> ________________________________
> From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 2:31 AM
> To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
> Cc: Mark Jones <jones at jlab.org>; Bogdan Wojtsekhowski <bogdanw at jlab.org>
> Subject: new test ECAL prototype
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> Please send me the model of the new heater
> and the data sheet which you recommend.
> We need this information to compile a HAlist for a new thermal
> test.
>
> Thank you,
> Albert
>
>> Hi Albert,
>>
>> I ordered 12 heaters with RTDs, all the units ordered have 96” cables.
>>
>> Procurement got the order placed yesterday. I expect delivery by mid
>> October.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Marc
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 6:43 AM
>> To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
>> Cc: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>; dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org
>> <dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Dsg-halla_ecal] ECAL heater
>>
>> Hi Marc,
>>
>> When you spoke to the salesperson, did you tell them that the connecting
>> wires must be at least 8 feet long?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Albert
>>
>>
>>> Hi Albert,
>>>
>>> I have ordered the silicon heaters and have been in contact with the
>>> buyer, so that part has started. I expect delivery in the first week of
>>> October.
>>>
>>> Amrit has advised that we focus on the controls, so with that in mind
>>> we
>>> will not commit DSG resources to assembling the 6 supermodule test
>>> stand.
>>> Brian and I will start working on developing controls and monitoring
>>> for
>>> the heaters and sensors.
>>>
>>> I will set a meeting for next week so we can discuss our strategy for
>>> controls and monitoring.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 2:56 PM
>>> To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
>>> Cc: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>; dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org
>>> <dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Dsg-halla_ecal] ECAL heater
>>>
>>> Hi Marc,
>>>
>>> Today I discussed your proposal with Bogdan,
>>> and we confirm the order of the heater.
>>> Please order 12 heater and test with 6 SM.
>>> You also need to install an aluminum bars
>>> on the sides of the super modules.
>>> You need to control the temperature in front
>>> and behind the lead glass.
>>> If you need help creating a prototype, we can
>>> arrange a meeting and discuss?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Albert
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Albert,
>>>>
>>>> Here is the email from the manufacture. These can run at 250C
>>>> continuously. The main point is that we have a quote for units which
>>>> can
>>>> be purchased for testing at 250C to confirm if this will work.
>>>>
>>>> We are still looking for other options.
>>>>
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have just left you a voice mail on this project.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are comfortable with having the heaters quoted here run at 250C on
>>>> a
>>>> continuous basis.​
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some of the construction has been changed:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   *   Wire wound heating element
>>>>   *   High Temperature Silicone Rubber
>>>>   *   Not a UL approved and stamped heater
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We’d still have a maximum of (12) heaters which can be connected
>>>> together in parallel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’ve shown the cost of having (10) Heaters Expedited on our Fast
>>>> Track
>>>> Service.
>>>>
>>>> Any questions please let me know!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  ​
>>>>
>>>> David Podolsky
>>>>
>>>> 845-758-0700
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **Please Note – Purchase Orders, Invoices and ship date inquiries
>>>> should
>>>> also be copied to our Office Staff:
>>>>
>>>> office at customheatersandresearch.com<mailto:office at customheatersandresearch.com>
>>>>
>>>> support at customheatersandresearch.com<mailto:support at customheatersandresearch.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 1:12 AM
>>>> To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
>>>> Cc: dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org <dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Dsg-halla_ecal] ECAL heater
>>>>
>>>> Hi Marc
>>>>
>>>> I'm worried about 250C max. All the time this heater
>>>> will work the maximum mode.
>>>> When testing the prototype in the front flange SM, we reached 250C,
>>>> which
>>>> is half the maximum operating temperature of the heater that I used.
>>>> How many days continuously can this heater operate at maximum?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Albert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We have received a quote for custom silicon heaters with built in
>>>>> temperature sensors. The manufacture specified the max temperature to
>>>>> 250
>>>>> degrees Celsius. The total watts per heater is 125.
>>>>>
>>>>> The quote states the operating voltage is 120VAC, but I have
>>>>> confirmed
>>>>> that 48VDC will work as well. I am still waiting on specifications
>>>>> for
>>>>> the
>>>>> current, which will be higher if you use the lower voltage.
>>>>>
>>>>> The cost for a test amount of 10 heaters with built in temperature
>>>>> sensors
>>>>> and 96" cables is $825 (total). We can get these in-house within 2
>>>>> weeks
>>>>> of an order.
>>>>>
>>>>> The cost per heater for the full compliment is $57.50 per heater.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am including the quote and a materials composition specification.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if you want me to write a requisition, and confirm the
>>>>> account
>>>>> codes to charge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Marc
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Dsg-halla_ecal mailing list
>>>>> Dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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