[Dsg-halla_moller] PLC Alternative Vendors

Mon Sep 12 15:15:24 EDT 2022

Yes add the Schneider option into the mix please, thank you!

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From: Brian Eng <beng at jlab.org>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 3:04:38 PM
To: Nick Sandoval <sandoval at jlab.org>; dsg-halla_moller at jlab.org <dsg-halla_moller at jlab.org>
Subject: Re: PLC Alternative Vendors

Looks like Seimens doesn't have an SOE module either, but it seems like we might be able to use some of the time stamping available on the modules to do it ourselves in code. I haven't looked into that possibility with the Automation Direct ones.

There will be much less time resolution, high-single/low-double digit ms (depending on which documentation/comments you read, the latter seems more likely) if we do it manually vs the low-triple digit us that the A-B SOE has. So several orders of magnitude slower.

So far dealing with Siemens has been a black box, they're WAY less responsive than the other companies.

I think the other big issue is the alternative to the isolated analog input module, for whatever reason most of the PLCs seem to prefer common inputs.

Any inputs/thoughts on the Modicon PLC stuff (I think they're currently owned by Schneider Electric)? Only bring it up since they actually have an isolated analog input module, albeit only 8 channels.

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From: Nick Sandoval <sandoval at jlab.org>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:51 PM
To: Brian Eng <beng at jlab.org>; dsg-halla_moller at jlab.org <dsg-halla_moller at jlab.org>
Subject: Re: PLC Alternative Vendors

Hi Brian,
The soe time stamping is not that critical for these coils.

The fast dc inputs would be more than enough; is there such a compromise available?

Thanks

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From: Dsg-halla_moller <dsg-halla_moller-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of Brian Eng <beng at jlab.org>
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 10:20:24 AM
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Subject: [Dsg-halla_moller] PLC Alternative Vendors

Here's the information Aaron got from Automation Direct.

While some of the modules they don't have an equivalent for could probably be replaced with something else not having an SOE module pretty much eliminates this as an alternative to the current A-B setup. Which is unfortunate since their pricing and lead-times are so much better than A-B. Most of the stuff out of stock is only a 4 week lead-time versus the months for A-B.

We're still trying to see what a Seimens setup would look like, but it's been much harder to get information.

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From: Aaron Brown <ambrown at jlab.org>
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 10:07 AM
To: Brian Eng <beng at jlab.org>
Subject: Fw: [EXTERNAL] Technical Support Inquiry: 00909533 [ ref:_00D6A2zCoC._5003uw25lf:ref ]

Here are the options from Automation Direct.
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From: ADC Support <techbox at automationdirect.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2022 2:39 PM
To: Aaron Brown <ambrown at jlab.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Technical Support Inquiry: 00909533 [ ref:_00D6A2zCoC._5003uw25lf:ref ]

Here is the best crosses that we have.  You can search all of these part numbers on our website to see the specifications and user manuals.

FYI:  – OOS means Out-of-Stock
– IS means In-Stock

1756-IF16 Analog Input - Current/Voltage 16 Pts (36 Pin)
P3-16AD-1 < current inputs for $514.00 – OOS
P3-16AD-2 < voltage inputs for $504.00 – IS
P3-RTB < terminal block for above modules for $21.00 – OOS

1756-IF16IH Isolated Analog Input - ControlLogix 16 Point HART
Nothing

1756-OF8 Analog Output - Current/Voltage 8 Pts (20 Pin)
P3-08DA-1 < current outputs for $749.00 – OOS
P3-08DA-2 < voltage outputs for $697.00 – IS
P3-RTB < terminal block for above modules for $21.00 – OOS

1756-A13 13 Slot ControlLogix Chassis
P3-11B < 11 slot base is largest we sell for $331.00 – IS

1756-EN2T EtherNet/IP communication module, 10/100M twisted pair, 128 TCP connections
Nothing

1756-IB16IF 10-30 VDC Fast Isolated Peer to Peer Input 16 Pts (36 Pin)
Nothing

1756-IB32 10-31 VDC Input 32 Pts (36 Pin)
P3-32ND3 < 24VDC inputs for $200.00 – IS
ZL-CBL40 < cable for above module for $30.50 – IS
ZL-RTB40 < remote terminal block for $51.00 – IS

1756-IH16ISOE 125 VDC Isolated Sequence of Event Input 16Pt (36 Pin)
Nothing

1756-OB16IEFS 10-30 VDC Scheduled, Electronically-Protected, Sinking Sourcing, Isolated, Fast Output Module
Nothing

1756-OB32 10-31 VDC Output 32 Pts (36 Pin)
P3-32TD1 < 24VDC sinking outputs for $200.00 – IS
P3-32TD2 < 24VDC sourcing outputs for $200.00 – IS
ZL-CBL40 < cable for above module for $30.50 – IS
ZL-RTB40 < remote terminal block for $51.00 – IS

1756-OV32E 10-30 VDC Electronically Fused Sinking Output 32 Pt (36 Pin)
P3-16TD3P < 16 Pt, 12-24VDC electronically fused outputs for $250.00 < IS
ZL-CBL40 < cable for above module for $30.50 – IS
ZL-RTB40 < remote terminal block for $51.00 – IS

1756-PA75R ControlLogix, 85-265 VAC Redundant Power Supply
P3-01AC < 100-24VAC power supply for $218.00 – OOS

1756-PAR2 ControlLogix, 85-265 VAC Redundant Power Supply Assembly
Nothing

1756-PSCA2 Redundant Power Supply Chassis Adapter Module
Nothing

1756-L81E ControlLogix 5580 Controller with 3 MB User Memory, USB Port, 1 gigabit (Gb) Enet port, 100 EtherNet/IP , 4 Char Display.
P3-550E < PLC CPU module for $721.00 – IS

Regards,

Jeff Y
Technical Support Team

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From: Aaron Brown [ambrown at jlab.org]
Sent: 9/8/2022 11:09 AM
To: techbox at automationdirect.com
Cc: beng at jlab.org
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Technical Support Inquiry: 00909533 [ ref:_00D6A2zCoC._5003uw25lf:ref ]

Hi Jeff,

Would you be able to send a list of comparable/equivalent P3000 controller/modules/software/etc as well as the cost for each item based on the list I sent?

Thanks,
Aaron

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From: ADC Support <techbox at automationdirect.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2022 10:27 AM
To: Aaron Brown <ambrown at jlab.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Technical Support Inquiry: 00909533 [ ref:_00D6A2zCoC._5003uw25lf:ref ]

We do not sell any Allen-Bradley PLCs, and none of our PLCs can be programmed using the Allen-Bradley software.  So you would have to re-write your logic from scratch.  Also, none of our PLCs support redundant power supplies, HART, Sequence of Event inputs, or scheduled outputs.

Having said that, our Productivity P3000 series PLC would be the closest we have.  Here is a link to the P3000 series PLC parts.
https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/shopping/catalog/programmable_controllers/productivity3000_(modular)#start=0<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__url287.automationdirect.com_ls_click-3Fupn-3DQ5RN2mBTfZvrJq-2D2B2FPPjucrCa-2D2B3oZkWdgH-2D2BXlbID-2D2BzYISENuBH6VmfR-2D2BmtN73euX4HxqznQzJyYD8X-2D2B7lHMQfdWrtjYwHvph0-2D2BrHDdj-2D2BeUY60KGT3T3AfJM7lbvWEWeGxJ8Eq3OwU2ccvwMEDOlv8KdLojIkQnTpe3l-2D2BWUXILO6qam-2D2FIAJi8Fy42VU2LcBtOS1A-2D2FCUeoz1xAGcKoqMzWdF7zeii-2D2BcRT2oGFdNvUmoGqVIw-2D2F-2D2BaIjDqcHx7OzRI6oW-2D2BBiWUNHPNstidIExt8idKLjU4fZEcExT8InACOTiMDI-2D2BcYsefeLBGTPgGsUVfxLh5QNgcNXR70rxJJJpZ0qqvf-2D2FWsix66W455tUdd831TewgnC7DNuq-2D2B0m0-2D2B1t78mnAe79LhBkX0ybXPUvBNwK8pSTz3KWsi1obY0zrtDLqUZHbTSlJaftX9OdXDOFiNJQV-2D2BHNeLYcyGdBpK1ZjaUuLIs1eKv5LxHEvgSwgSVyQeGIvyBi8v9IQudWhDE1vUl5c-2D2F-2D2Bc07edneBkR-2D2BiJ-2D2FVN7B9qWaNK3zv8BGzwSs4dzN0M94g5qsHD2lZnb-2D2BvW7J4DsQGPcN3VgTF1Uxzsr2Cc1A18zxS0M9YRWHcTscTRq7-2D2F6b89v3UyBwxg3C1LlKJPEJs330s-2D2BdwSiYLfNswfbGpjgaAPLO068SxnxYy-2D2FF01YSVbJihn18U-2D2BU-2D2FZ-2D2B4-2D2Bvp9SzVl9OPLDoWlsCOq7fk05W1Z0AQqsDYeWxVv6gYEtNpWqncELkiqJGiOEvwe6fmBsKHwsXq9HJ5UiV0r2SDx-2D2FH6kiRFyhhABG2QN8QHvO9uGZfaLDBAoly-2D2BwXPaENT3c41hZBMPuQlviO6tHRl3x9RCnQHsrAmvG3GrcfiCZoVYuafoPT71zQGBFeq-2D2FfseTXaAS6-2D2FJf51RuqKOKlqVKcF3BZijemJwgK5f5P9f0VQ2YwlH9-2D2BwCPat3Hh3GYHge9ovbCWCsD9TpvObI9iT-2D2FJBuh-2D2BABquKP7SrKxuXYRFqsOKYmR-2D2BE-2D3DTId1-5F-2D2BXBlPTGXnwoGdEWfgeNQZDNJBHWpnR3KbVSJaC2t7I7f8MyNNl4rXnU27ISr8GrIp-2D2B1T29fg7WFa51TeLeO777daw0xM9HmwJD-2D2B88UqOaka0NQ1Ni81c7my0W4VykfRNTikhsWSlcsrjpL16StACn-2D2BMgiK8JxQ0H8W9nCnlN3J7oFa1QeUyb0TN5ITIdPUfe2J9kAxwiizqRQ3Fyca-2D2BOyQ-2D3D-2D3D&d=DwMCAg&c=CJqEzB1piLOyyvZjb8YUQw&r=TkJUDpm1-rWCci4nhe47n5XMOLWvRg1TNSqSgPyxyhs&m=IzWkA84RI7gP-wDqLhLDkfmr0WOTBO0Og3aCLe96bUewCxZ6-ObBuY_DO-2RlP41&s=iotlR14gqKklNm4lR_pJegakCaEKubvjP4n8BlEiXRo&e=>

Regards,

Jeff Y
Technical Support Team
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