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Looks like Seimens doesn't have an SOE module either, but it seems like we might be able to use some of the time stamping available on the modules to do it ourselves in code. I haven't looked into that possibility with the Automation Direct ones.</div>
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There will be much less time resolution, high-single/low-double digit <b>m</b>s (depending on which documentation/comments you read, the latter seems more likely) if we do it manually vs the low-triple digit
<b>u</b>s that the A-B SOE has. So several orders of magnitude slower.</div>
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So far dealing with Siemens has been a black box, they're WAY less responsive than the other companies.</div>
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I think the other big issue is the alternative to the isolated analog input module, for whatever reason most of the PLCs seem to prefer common inputs.</div>
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Any inputs/thoughts on the Modicon PLC stuff (I think they're currently owned by Schneider Electric)? Only bring it up since they actually have an isolated analog input module, albeit only 8 channels.</div>
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<b>To:</b> Brian Eng <beng@jlab.org>; dsg-halla_moller@jlab.org <dsg-halla_moller@jlab.org><br>
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<div dir="auto" style="color:rgb(33,33,33); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Hi Brian,</div>
<div dir="auto" style="color:rgb(33,33,33); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">The soe time stamping is not that critical for these coils.</div>
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<div dir="auto" style="color:rgb(33,33,33); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">The fast dc inputs would be more than enough; is there such a compromise available?</div>
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Here's the information Aaron got from Automation Direct.</div>
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While some of the modules they don't have an equivalent for could probably be replaced with something else not having an SOE module pretty much eliminates this as an alternative to the current A-B setup. Which is unfortunate since their pricing and lead-times
are so much better than A-B. Most of the stuff out of stock is only a 4 week lead-time versus the months for A-B.</div>
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We're still trying to see what a Seimens setup would look like, but it's been much harder to get information.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 9, 2022 10:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brian Eng <beng@jlab.org><br>
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Here are the options from Automation Direct.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Here is the best crosses that we have. You can search all of these part numbers on our website to see the specifications and user manuals.<br>
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FYI: <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:11pt">– OOS means Out-of-Stock</span>
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<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>1756-IF16 Analog Input - Current/Voltage 16 Pts (36 Pin)</u></span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">P3-16AD-1 < current inputs for $514.00 – OOS</span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">P3-16AD-2 < voltage inputs for $504.00 – IS</span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">P3-RTB < terminal block for above modules for $21.00 – OOS</span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>1756-IF16IH Isolated Analog Input - ControlLogix 16 Point HART</u></span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>1756-OF8 Analog Output - Current/Voltage 8 Pts (20 Pin)</u></span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">P3-08DA-1 < current outputs for $749.00 – OOS</span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">P3-08DA-2 < voltage outputs for $697.00 – IS</span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">P3-RTB < terminal block for above modules for $21.00 – OOS</span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>1756-A13 13 Slot ControlLogix Chassis</u></span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">P3-11B < 11 slot base is largest we sell for $331.00 – IS</span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>1756-EN2T EtherNet/IP communication module, 10/100M twisted pair, 128 TCP connections</u></span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>1756-IB16IF 10-30 VDC Fast Isolated Peer to Peer Input 16 Pts (36 Pin)</u></span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>1756-IB32 10-31 VDC Input 32 Pts (36 Pin)</u></span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">P3-32ND3 < 24VDC inputs for $200.00 – IS</span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">ZL-CBL40 < cable for above module for $30.50 – IS</span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">ZL-RTB40 < remote terminal block for $51.00 – IS</span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>1756-IH16ISOE 125 VDC Isolated Sequence of Event Input 16Pt (36 Pin)</u></span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>1756-OB16IEFS 10-30 VDC Scheduled, Electronically-Protected, Sinking Sourcing, Isolated, Fast Output Module</u></span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>1756-OB32 10-31 VDC Output 32 Pts (36 Pin)</u></span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">P3-32TD1 < 24VDC sinking outputs for $200.00 – IS</span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">P3-32TD2 < 24VDC sourcing outputs for $200.00 – IS</span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">ZL-CBL40 < cable for above module for $30.50 – IS</span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">ZL-RTB40 < remote terminal block for $51.00 – IS</span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>1756-OV32E 10-30 VDC Electronically Fused Sinking Output 32 Pt (36 Pin)</u></span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">P3-16TD3P < 16 Pt, 12-24VDC electronically fused outputs for $250.00 < IS</span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">ZL-CBL40 < cable for above module for $30.50 – IS</span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">ZL-RTB40 < remote terminal block for $51.00 – IS</span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>1756-PA75R ControlLogix, 85-265 VAC Redundant Power Supply</u></span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">P3-01AC < 100-24VAC power supply for $218.00 – OOS</span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>1756-PAR2 ControlLogix, 85-265 VAC Redundant Power Supply Assembly</u></span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>1756-PSCA2 Redundant Power Supply Chassis Adapter Module</u></span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u>1756-L81E ControlLogix 5580 Controller with 3 MB User Memory, USB Port, 1 gigabit (Gb) Enet port, 100 EtherNet/IP , 4 Char Display.</u></span></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">P3-550E < PLC CPU module for $721.00 – IS</span></span><br>
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Hi Jeff,</div>
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Would you be able to send a list of comparable/equivalent P3000 controller/modules/software/etc as well as the cost for each item based on the list I sent?</div>
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Thanks,</div>
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<div>We do not sell any Allen-Bradley PLCs, and none of our PLCs can be programmed using the Allen-Bradley software. So you would have to re-write your logic from scratch. Also, none of our PLCs support redundant power supplies, HART, Sequence of Event inputs,
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Having said that, our Productivity P3000 series PLC would be the closest we have. Here is a link to the P3000 series PLC parts.<br clear="none">
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