[Dsg-hallb_magnets] [New Logentry] Follow-up Re: Solenoid fast dump at 2416 A
Nick Sandoval
sandoval at jlab.org
Tue Nov 6 13:25:10 EST 2018
Awesome, Thanks Brian. After performing the final QD threshold increase on Sept10-11 we have not had another noise trip.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Lemon" <tlemon at jlab.org>
To: "dsg-hallb magnets" <dsg-hallb_magnets at jlab.org>, "Nicholas Sandoval" <sandoval at jlab.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 10:58:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Dsg-hallb_magnets] [New Logentry] Follow-up Re: Solenoid fast dump at 2416 A
Hi Nick,
Have you gotten a reply from Facilities about what the lcw:92_Flow_Makeup is?
Best regards,
Tyler
From: "Brian Eng" <beng at jlab.org>
To: "Nick Sandoval" <sandoval at jlab.org>
Cc: "dsg-hallb magnets" <dsg-hallb_magnets at jlab.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 10:25:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Dsg-hallb_magnets] [New Logentry] Follow-up Re: Solenoid fast dump at 2416 A
Nick,
I updated the archive plots I made yesterday to include B_SOL:MPS:Status.BF
https://userweb.jlab.org/~beng/images/Solenoid%20Fast%20Dumps%20&%20LCW/
As expected that bit goes high on all the ones that we don't have a known cause for, i.e. all the dumps that are only a number in the filename.
There are a few dumps from full field without that bit but with a well understood reason, e.g. 14 & 18.
10 is really the only outlier, but since we don't have any FastDAQ data for that dump there's not much we can say about it.
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Sandoval" <sandoval at jlab.org>
> To: "Pablo Campero Rojas" <campero at jlab.org>
> Cc: "dsg-hallb magnets" <dsg-hallb_magnets at jlab.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 5:58:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dsg-hallb_magnets] [New Logentry] Follow-up Re: Solenoid fast dump at 2416 A
> Hi Pablo,
>
> Could you update your compiled Solenoid fast dumps list that Brian had
> referenced. For the updated list please insert another column for the MPS
> internal water flow BIT 16(TRUE/FALSE).
>
> The hope being that we have at least (1) full field fast dump without this bit
> present, and that any other fast dumps without this bit present were all prior
> to our final noise reduction and QD threhold increases.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pablo Campero Rojas" <campero at jlab.org>
> To: "Amrit Yegneswaran" <yeg at jlab.org>
> Cc: jonesc at jlab.org, "dsg-hallb magnets" <dsg-hallb_magnets at jlab.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 11:57:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dsg-hallb_magnets] [New Logentry] Follow-up Re: Solenoid fast dump
> at 2416 A
>
> Hello,
>
> Correlation of the PV LCW92 signal with the MPS water flow and Dump contact
> signals are showed in the attached plot.
> As we can see, the spikes on LCW92 signal starts ~ 10 min before the MPS Dump
> Contact signal trips.
> Also noticed that the MPS bit BF used to monitor MPS internal status for water
> flow trips at the same time of the MPS dump contact within +/- 500 ms.
>
> Regards,
> Pablo
>
>
> From: "Amrit Yegneswaran" <yeg at jlab.org>
> To: "Brian Eng" <beng at jlab.org>
> Cc: jonesc at jlab.org, "dsg-hallb magnets" <dsg-hallb_magnets at jlab.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 11:32:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dsg-hallb_magnets] [New Logentry] Follow-up Re: Solenoid fast dump
> at 2416 A
>
> i concur brian.
> who is the person who tells us what this lcw92 PV measures?
> which brings up the question, tyler posed: how come the torus is unaffected?
>
> i'm informed by amanda, pablo, peter, and tyler that there is a correlation
> between this PV and MPS water flow.
> could it be the water flow hiccups long enough to initiate the dump?
> but wouldn't this affect all the halls or is this 92 signal only for hallb?
> are the thresholds/flows for the solenoid and torus different?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Brian Eng" <beng at jlab.org>
> To: sandoval at jlab.org
> Cc: jonesc at jlab.org, "dsg-hallb magnets" <dsg-hallb_magnets at jlab.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 10:53:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dsg-hallb_magnets] [New Logentry] Follow-up Re: Solenoid fast dump
> at 2416 A
>
> Did we ever find out what this PV actually means?
>
> After going through the 21 fast dumps that Pablo put in his summary table either
> we have an explanation for the dump (QDs, Cryo, etc) or for _all_ the unknown
> ones there's spikes on this PV, basically if it goes above 5 the Solenoid is
> going to dump. Scrolling through the archives I've only found a few cases where
> the magnet is on (at low current < 500 A) and there's spikes above 5 (but < 3
> min) where it didn't dump. All the other spikes in that PV the Solenoid was
> off.
>
> I think finding out what exactly this PV is will help narrow down what in the
> MPS is causing the dump. Flow? Conductivity? Something else? Also why isn't the
> Torus MPS effected in the same way.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: sandoval at jlab.org
>> To: jonesc at jlab.org, "dsg-hallb magnets" <dsg-hallb_magnets at jlab.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 10:30:06 AM
>> Subject: [Dsg-hallb_magnets] [New Logentry] Follow-up Re: Solenoid fast dump at
>> 2416 A
>
>> Follow-up Re: Solenoid fast dump at 2416 A
>>
>>
>> * Edit
>> * Delete
>>
>>
>> Lognumber 3619729 . Submitted by sandoval on Fri, 11/02/2018 - 10:27 . Logbooks:
>> HBLOG HBSOLENOID
>> References: 3619588 - Solenoid fast dump at 2416 A
>>
>>
>> Seems to be coorelation of Hall B solenoid fast dumps with lcw:92_Flow_Makeup
>>
>> Not sure what this PV actually means for hall B
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