[dsg-hallb_rtpc] [EXTERNAL] Re: Pressure transducer of RTPC

Tue Jul 28 12:48:47 EDT 2020

Dear Marc and DSG members,
   We just heard an update from Marco Battaglieri that we may get the beam
to the Hall by this weekend. Bob Miller will be putting the beamline
components back. I would like to ask you kindly to help with fixing the
pressure transducer as soon as you can.

Eugene, Please don't start sweeping the magnets  till I confirm that we are
done with this fix.

Best regards,
Mohammad.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:51 AM mhattawy at odu.edu <
mohammad.hattawy at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you could not open the picture that Jiwan attached to his replay, here
> it is.
>
> Mohammad.
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:48 AM mhattawy at odu.edu <
> mohammad.hattawy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Marc,
>>  Following our phone call this morning, It has to be what you call PDT2.
>>
>> Mohammad.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:45 AM Jiwan Poudel <jpoudel at jlab.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> We have two differential transducer (PDTs): RTPC-DMS (PDT332) and
>>> RTPC-Buffer(PDT208). So I am taking about RTPC-DMS pressure transducer. I
>>> have only this photo right now, where you can see one two wires are coming
>>> out from PDT.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Jiwan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:19 AM, mhattawy at odu.edu <
>>> mohammad.hattawy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Jiwan,
>>>    Sounds like the DSG group is not fully sure about the specification
>>> of this transducer as they used to name it PT2. Can you please send them
>>> some pics of the transducer as the ones I did for the other one.
>>>
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:04 AM mhattawy at odu.edu <
>>> mohammad.hattawy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear DSG members,
>>>>     Please send us the cables color code for PDT332 to connect it
>>>> back.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Mohammad.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 20:37 <jpoudel at jlab.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am sorry to write again, but I have to inform to you all correctly.
>>>>> I wanted to write "cable from transducer pt332 is not attached to chassis
>>>>> but GUI is showing a large negative value. How?" Previus email was
>>>>> confusing (isn't is changed to is) so have to write again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 27, 2020 20:09, jpoudel at jlab.org wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> PDT208 is working fine, the connection is good. I verified connection
>>>>> and connected it to chassis. Its showing quite reasonable reading also.
>>>>>
>>>>> PDT332( RTPC-DMS diff) is showing some weird number in epics GUI even
>>>>> before its connected to system. Cable from transducer is attached at
>>>>> chassis. How? I have no idea.( see attached) I think it should show zero. I
>>>>> compare PDT208(rtpc-buffer) reading removing cable from chassis, and it
>>>>> shows zero.
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition, Connecting wires at transducer PDT332 are coming out. So
>>>>> we need color code of cables before connecting it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Jiwan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 27, 2020 19:18, jpoudel at jlab.org wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Marc,
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you please send me the connection of PDT 332 (color code of
>>>>> cables) also?
>>>>>
>>>>> In PDT 208, white and green are together. Are they -15V?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Jiwan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 27, 2020 18:40, JIWAN POUDEL <jpoud001 at odu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I will check the connections and verify it is correct before plugging
>>>>> in to chassis.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Jiwan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 27, 2020, at 6:22 PM, mhattawy at odu.edu <
>>>>> mohammad.hattawy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Marc,
>>>>>    Maybe the beacon was on, but for sure the magnets are off.
>>>>> Unfortunately, I can’t get to the Lab till Wednesday. Jiwan can you connect
>>>>> it back?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mohammad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 18:18 Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mohammad and Jiwan,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have replaced the fuse in the chassis and checked the internal
>>>>> components for issues. I did not reconnect the connector for the PDT 208
>>>>> (differential pressure DMS to RTPC) because I could not verify if the
>>>>> contacts are wired correctly since it was reconnected, because the magnet
>>>>> beacon is on. I have attached a pinout which can be used to verify
>>>>> connections prior to plugging it back into the interface chassis.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Marc
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 11:18 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> *To:* dsg-hallb_rtpc at jlab.org <dsg-hallb_rtpc at jlab.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [dsg-hallb_rtpc] [EXTERNAL] Re: Pressure transducer of
>>>>> RTPC
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Mohammad,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll look into the spares first. Then contact you about the repair.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Marc
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* dsg-hallb_rtpc <dsg-hallb_rtpc-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of
>>>>> mhattawy at odu.edu <mohammad.hattawy at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 11:16 AM
>>>>> *To:* dsg-hallb_rtpc at jlab.org <dsg-hallb_rtpc at jlab.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [dsg-hallb_rtpc] [EXTERNAL] Re: Pressure transducer of
>>>>> RTPC
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Marc,
>>>>>     The magnets will be energized starting from 3:30 pm today to
>>>>> Monday morning. You won’t be able to get to the gas panel, that is within
>>>>> the fields of the magnets.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mohammad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:11 Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jiwan,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am going to see if we have some spare supplies for that chassis.
>>>>> When I have the swap out in  hand, I'll need to coordinate with your group
>>>>> to complete the repair.
>>>>>
>>>>> The chassis will have to be de-energized and removed from the rack for
>>>>> repair. This means the MFC and the other connected sensors will have to be
>>>>> shut down while I make the repairs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Additionally, I will be doing this work either on the weekend or after
>>>>> hours, to avoid coming into contact with others.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll let you know the status of the spares sometime today, so we can
>>>>> coordinate the system outage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Marc
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* dsg-hallb_rtpc <dsg-hallb_rtpc-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of
>>>>> Jiwan Poudel <jpoudel at jlab.org>
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 9:33 AM
>>>>> *To:* dsg-hallb_rtpc at jlab.org <dsg-hallb_rtpc at jlab.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [dsg-hallb_rtpc] [EXTERNAL] Re: Pressure transducer of
>>>>> RTPC
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Brian,
>>>>>
>>>>> Those power pins are not showing what it should show. Pin 6 and 5
>>>>> showing -28.7V and pins 7 and 5 showing only 1.3V.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Jiwan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Brian Eng <beng at jlab.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Mohammad,
>>>>>
>>>>> Fortunately it already has the pinout on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unplug that connector and measure between pins 6 & 5 for -15 VDC, 7 &
>>>>> 5 for +15 VDC. If those are good then it isn't power.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next open the backshell of that connector and connect probes to 2 & 12
>>>>> to see if it is reading the same voltage as the cRIO (~4 VDC). If the
>>>>> reading at the sensor matches the cRIO it probably isn't the cabling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lastly I would disconnect the detector and open the valves so that
>>>>> sensor is exposed to ambient pressure and see what it reads, if it's still
>>>>> ~400 torr then it is most likely the sensor, but could be the
>>>>> cabling/chassis.
>>>>>
>>>>> To eliminate that possibility the sensor would need to be removed and
>>>>> tested on a bench using the same pins as listed above.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think we (DSG) have a direct replacement for that, so I'd try
>>>>> Hall B and if not you'd need to talk with Bob as that involves changing a
>>>>> pressure system component.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* dsg-hallb_rtpc <dsg-hallb_rtpc-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of
>>>>> mhattawy at odu.edu<mohammad.hattawy at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2020 1:21 PM
>>>>> *To:* dsg-hallb_rtpc at jlab.org <dsg-hallb_rtpc at jlab.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* [dsg-hallb_rtpc] [EXTERNAL] Re: Pressure transducer of RTPC
>>>>>
>>>>> <image_123923953.JPG>
>>>>> <image_123923953.JPG>
>>>>> <image_6483441.JPG>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:38 Brian Eng <beng at jlab.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jiwan,
>>>>>
>>>>> The voltage being read back by the cRIO is ~4V which is being
>>>>> converted correctly to ~400 torr.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you get the full model number of PT334 so I can better give some
>>>>> suggestions on what you guys could measure to help troubleshoot?
>>>>>
>>>>> Off-hand some of the things that could be wrong is: the sensor not
>>>>> getting proper supply voltage, a loose connection of the output to the cRIO
>>>>> as it is getting some voltage back, or a bad sensor (let's hope it isn't
>>>>> that as that was the only one we had in that range).
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Jiwan Poudel <jpoudel at jlab.org>
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2020 11:20 AM
>>>>> *To:* Brian Eng <beng at jlab.org>
>>>>> *Cc:* dsg-hallb_rtpc at jlab.org <dsg-hallb_rtpc at jlab.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* Pressure transducer of RTPC
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Brian,
>>>>>
>>>>> RTPC abs. Pressure transducer seems not working properly. This should
>>>>> show around 760 torr (~ 1 atm), but showing about 400 torr only. What could
>>>>> be the reason?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Jiwan
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Mohammad Hattawy.
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>>>>> Mohammad Hattawy.
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>>>> Mohammad Hattawy.
>>>>
>>>
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>> Best regards,
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Best regards,
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