<html><body><div style="font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #009900"><div>hi marco,<br></div><div>thanks for concurring with me regarding the <strong>space issue.</strong><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div> <br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>with regards to the <strong>cleaning</strong>; </div><div>starting with <strong>HPS</strong>, every doohickey wannabe physicist messed up the place. <br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>if you have ever worked on a farm, like i did when i was a kid, you soon realize that it is impossible to keep a pig sty clean!<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>in my opinion <strong>everyone who uses that clean room and shower curtain room has to contribute to the cleaning and keeping it clean. it is unacceptable that DSG alone be responsible for this task.<br data-mce-bogus="1"></strong></div><div><span id="transmark" style="display: none; width: 0px; height: 0px;"></span></div><div>also, i don't think it is a good idea for one group to cover for another group.<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>amrit<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><strong><br data-mce-bogus="1"></strong></div><div><strong><br data-mce-bogus="1"></strong></div><div><strong><br data-mce-bogus="1"></strong></div><div><strong><br data-mce-bogus="1"></strong></div><div><strong><br data-mce-bogus="1"></strong></div><div><strong><br data-mce-bogus="1"></strong></div><div><strong></strong><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>"Marco Contalbrigo" <mcontalb@fe.infn.it><br><b>To: </b>"Amrit Yegneswaran" <yeg@jlab.org><br><b>Cc: </b>"Yuri Gotra" <gotra@jlab.org>, "dsg-rich" <dsg-rich@jlab.org>, "dsg-svt" <dsg-svt@jlab.org>, "rmiller" <rmiller@jlab.org>, "Maxime Defurne" <mdefurne@jlab.org>, "Patrizia Rossi" <rossi@jlab.org>, "Volker Burkert" <burkert@jlab.org>, dsg-mvt@jlab.org, dsg-ft@jlab.org, "Franck Sabatié" <fsabatie@gmail.com>, "Walt Akers" <akers@jlab.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, September 25, 2017 8:00:31 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [dsg-svt] [Dsg-mvt] [Dsg-rich] space in back of EEL 125<br></div><div><br></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__">Dear Amrit,<br>let me try to summarize my present understanding about<br>EEL-125 use.<br><br>Space: RICH assembling would likely need more space than<br>expected due to the complex procedure and several<br>delicate elements. However, looking at the screenshot<br>of Bob Miller, I realized the SVT+MM system will be<br>moved out of the clean room at the end of October.<br>This will free the space in time for the most critical<br>activity (aerogel assembling). To remove unnecessary<br>stuff or re-organize part of the services (i.e. tables)<br>might solve the issue without the need of moving<br>the SVT+MM in advance.<br><br>Clean: the RICH group has always scheduled a cleanup<br>action between the tasks to be performed before<br>the critical element assembling. This cleanup<br>has not been very well defined yet but the actions<br>Yuri is listing are all going in the same direction.<br>I am in favor of them. Who should do what has<br>to be agreeded, and RICH will cover his part by sure.<br><br>Of course, I might not have all the details under<br>control and I am at disposal to further discuss the<br>above points in order to reach a practical agreement.<br><br>Best regards, Marco.<br><br>On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Amrit Yegneswaran wrote:<br><br>> <br>> your understanding of the situation is meager, at best unsatisfactory!<br>> but that's ok<br>> not 2 years ago you were doing the kazatsky to maintain the clean room.<br>> hallb engineering, you , and dsg were supposed to take turns keeping the clean room<br>> clean.<br>> we had a meeting with patrizia.<br>> george wrote up command orders.<br>> dsg even hired a person to keep the room clean.<br>> she still cleans the place.<br>> but to the best of my knowledge, neither you, nor hallb engineering, nor the mvt<br>> crew etc etc who use the room did diddly squat of cleaning.<br>> capire!<br>> <br>> be it known to all that dsg is not the local janitorial group.<br>> do what you preach.<br>> organize a group to do all the things you are suggesting, participate. go ahead<br>> make my day.<br>> the guys who made the mess should be the guys who should be cleaning the mess,<br>> isn't that so?<br>> <br>> having said this, if you continue knowingly or unknowingly (ignorance is no excuse)<br>> on this track, you'll not only upset me but the entire dsg group, including brian!<br>> think about it. that kid has iron in his soul.<br>> <br>> the tzar's era ended long ago son!<br>> so, knock it off<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ___________________________________________________________________________________<br>> From: "Yuri Gotra" <gotra@jlab.org><br>> To: "Amrit Yegneswaran" <yeg@jlab.org><br>> Cc: "dsg-rich" <dsg-rich@jlab.org>, "dsg-svt" <dsg-svt@jlab.org>, "rmiller"<br>> <rmiller@jlab.org>, "Maxime Defurne" <mdefurne@jlab.org>, "Patrizia Rossi"<br>> <rossi@jlab.org>, "Volker Burkert" <burkert@jlab.org>, dsg-mvt@jlab.org,<br>> dsg-ft@jlab.org, "Franck Sabatié" <fsabatie@gmail.com>, "Walt Akers"<br>> <akers@jlab.org>, "Marco Contalbrigo" <mcontalb@fe.infn.it><br>> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:38:56 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [dsg-svt] [Dsg-mvt] [Dsg-rich] space in back of EEL 125<br>> <br>> My understanding is that the question for RICH assembly is more related to the<br>> condition of the clean room rather than the lack of space. In any case there are<br>> some actions which could benefit both.<br>> <br>> Here is what could be done:<br>> <br>> - remove items being stored in EEL124 which are not related to CLAS12 commissioning<br>> activity ongoing in EEL124 (this would provide extra space and make the room<br>> cleaner)<br>> <br>> - enforce the clean room rules (gowning, moving items to the clean room, etc.)<br>> <br>> - clean the gowning area and replace the sticky mats (the present lat mat is ugly<br>> and violates the rules)<br>> <br>> - put patches on the broken floor epoxy coating (walking on the broken coating<br>> generates dust)<br>> <br>> - vacuum clean the floor and the top of the remaining cabinets<br>> <br>> - check the status of the EEL124 dust monitor<br>> <br>> - consider building the canopy over the RICH (check with Youri Sharabian whether he<br>> could provide his HTCC clean room parts)<br>> <br>> There are 2 weeks after the scheduled moving of the CVT to the hall (October 30)<br>> when RICH will be the only user of the clean room.<br>> <br>> <br>> On 9/25/17 3:15 PM, Yuri Gotra wrote:<br>><br>> We did not receive any request from RICH group that they need<br>> additional space. Per prior agreement with RICH group and Walt the CVT<br>> will stay in EEL124 till it will be moved to the hall. Small (SVT)<br>> clean room was made available for RICH assembly. I will check with<br>> Marco.<br>> <br>><br>> On 9/25/17 3:05 PM, Amrit Yegneswaran wrote:<br>> we are looking at a new chapter on how to proceed, given the<br>> delay.<br>> not a re-iteration of the old schedule.<br>> in the end, if appropriate and reasonable changes aren't implemented<br>> one shouldn't be surprised at the outcome.<br>> <br>> RICH needs clean room space at the back where the SVT/MVT is to<br>> assemble the aerogel/the mirrors etc.<br>> the svt/mvt doesn't need clean room space for cosmic data, am i wrong?<br>> anyway, mine is only to suggest how to run things smoothly as i see it,<br>> not enforce it.<br>> klaro!<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> dsg-svt mailing list<br>> dsg-svt@jlab.org<br>> https://mailman.jlab.org/mailman/listinfo/dsg-svt<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>><br></div></div></body></html>