<div dir="ltr">Dear Brad,<div><br></div><div> thanks for the reminder. I talked to Thi yesterday about the large HV SAMTEC connectors at the top of the NPS box. Indeed, they are only rated for 850V, but he has tested each of them individually up to 1500 V and found no issues with none of them. The same should apply to the (small) SAMTEC connectors on the PMT voltage dividers, although that was Fernando's group choice. We are happy to discuss this further if you think this may be an issue, or additional tests are recommended.</div><div><br></div><div>Concerning the layout inside the box, Emmanuel provided a few detailed CAD drawings that I put here:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.jlab.org/~munoz/NPS_cables">www.jlab.org/~munoz/NPS_cables</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I annotated some of the elements in the .pdf/.pptx file attached. Let me know if that helps, or you want more details (or additional views).</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your help with this.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Carlos</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 5:10 PM Brad Sawatzky <<a href="mailto:brads@jlab.org" target="_blank">brads@jlab.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Carlos,<br>
<br>
Just a friendly ping on the SAMTEC issue/questions.<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
-- Brad<br>
<br>
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020, Brad Sawatzky wrote:<br>
<br>
> Ah, now I understand why the SAMTEC part numbers were for a double ended<br>
> assembly. They were copy-pasted from the internal grey HV connections<br>
> between the large PCB and the inside patch panel connection. (ie. slide<br>
> 12 on the PDF you link to below).<br>
> <br>
> OK, it'll be good to hear Thi's comments on the HV specs for those<br>
> larger SAMTEC connectors. Thanks.<br>
> <br>
> More details models/specs on the internal cabling would be appreciated,<br>
> but things are already making more sense to me now.<br>
> <br>
> -- Brad<br>
> <br>
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2020, Carlos Munoz Camacho wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > Dear Brad,<br>
> > thanks for the detailed documentation of the several points. I had<br>
> > misunderstood which SAMTEC connectors you were referring to (I thought you<br>
> > were referring to the ones attached to the PMTs, and not the ones at the top<br>
> > of the box).<br>
> > I will check the safety specs of this with the engineer who designed the<br>
> > cables and the boards (Thi). Unfortunately he's away on vacations until Aug<br>
> > 17, but I'll get back to you then. All cables and panels are fabricated now.<br>
> > But if we find a safety issue, we will of course reconsider things.<br>
> > Concerning the CAD drawing, I can send that to you next week when Emmanuel<br>
> > will be back at the lab. In the meantime, you could see in page 11 (left)<br>
> > of [1]<a href="https://wiki.jlab.org/cuawiki/images/7/7e/ERR_Calorimeter.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.jlab.org/cuawiki/images/7/7e/ERR_Calorimeter.pdf</a> a layout<br>
> > of the boards. The HV is distributed through the flat cables at the top of<br>
> > the board (and connected to the top of the box). The HV then goes out<br>
> > through FISCHER connectors on the right side of the PCB board and fed to the<br>
> > PMT voltage divider through another (smaller) SAMTEC connector (the one I<br>
> > thought you were referring to). Let me know if you would need more details<br>
> > (other than a better quality/zoom version of that). I should be able to<br>
> > provide the routing of the PCB board if you need.<br>
> > Thanks,<br>
> > Carlos<br>
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 8:44 PM Brad Sawatzky <[2]<a href="mailto:brads@jlab.org" target="_blank">brads@jlab.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> > Hi Carlos,<br>
> > <br>
> > Just a few questions to follow up on the SAMTEC connector and long HV<br>
> > cable issues.<br>
> > <br>
> > Just so we're working off the same page, the information I'm going off<br>
> > of is noted in these attachments:<br>
> > 1. NPS_Cables_Transparents.pdf<br>
> > - See p.6 -- p.8 for the SAMTEC part numbers, and the pin map from<br>
> > the Radiall connector <--> SAMTEC connector group.<br>
> > <br>
> > 2. SAMTEC-*.pdf<br>
> > - SAMTEC catalog pages for the PMSD cable assemblies, and the<br>
> > discrete IPBD connectors, etc.<br>
> > <br>
> > 3. NPS_frame_connector_layout.pdf<br>
> > - A simple CAD render of the patch-panel(s) on the exterior of the<br>
> > NPS chassis.<br>
> > <br>
> > 4. NPS-cabling-inside-chassis_25Jun2019.pdf<br>
> > - CAD render of the interior of the NPS detector chassis<br>
> > <br>
> > The 'PMSD-XX-206-K-D-LUS' called out in [1] are technically complete<br>
> > cable assemblies (double-ended, including wire). AFAICT, the relevant<br>
> > discrete connectors are the IPBD units.<br>
> > <br>
> > Either way, the PMSD and IPBD connectors are only rated to 600 VDC, but<br>
> > the production HV is around 1100V. There is a comment on the SAMTEC<br>
> > assembly document that they hi-pot the cable assembly to 1000V as part<br>
> > of the QA, so it is *possible* that these parts could be OK, but it'll<br>
> > certainly require some kind of safety review, at minimum. (See<br>
> > documents in [2].)<br>
> > <br>
> > Has procurement and fabrication of the HV patch panel on the NPS roof in<br>
> > [3] already begun? Are we locked into that design, or is there still a<br>
> > window to redesign that patch panel around different connectors, if<br>
> > needed?<br>
> > <br>
> > Can you send a more detailed assembly/design model that shows how the<br>
> > internal HV connections inside the NPS box are are laid out? That is,<br>
> > some shop drawings or zoomed CAD images that show connections from the<br>
> > PMTs to the green panel area in [4], and from the green panel area to<br>
> > the interior HV patch panel on the roof (ie. grey cables in [4]).<br>
> > <br>
> > -- Brad<br>
> > <br>
> > --<br>
> > Brad Sawatzky, PhD <[3]<a href="mailto:brads@jlab.org" target="_blank">brads@jlab.org</a>> -<>- Jefferson Lab / Hall C /<br>
> > C111<br>
> > Ph: 757-269-5947 -<>- Fax: 757-269-5235 -<>- Pager:<br>
> > [4]<a href="mailto:brads-page@jlab.org" target="_blank">brads-page@jlab.org</a><br>
> > The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new<br>
> > discoveries, is not "Eureka!" but "That's funny..." -- Isaac Asimov<br>
> > <br>
> > References<br>
> > <br>
> > Visible links<br>
> > 1. <a href="https://wiki.jlab.org/cuawiki/images/7/7e/ERR_Calorimeter.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.jlab.org/cuawiki/images/7/7e/ERR_Calorimeter.pdf</a><br>
> > 2. mailto:<a href="mailto:brads@jlab.org" target="_blank">brads@jlab.org</a><br>
> > 3. mailto:<a href="mailto:brads@jlab.org" target="_blank">brads@jlab.org</a><br>
> > 4. mailto:<a href="mailto:brads-page@jlab.org" target="_blank">brads-page@jlab.org</a><br>
> <br>
-- <br>
Brad Sawatzky, PhD <<a href="mailto:brads@jlab.org" target="_blank">brads@jlab.org</a>> -<>- Jefferson Lab / Hall C / C111<br>
Ph: 757-269-5947 -<>- Fax: 757-269-5235 -<>- Pager: <a href="mailto:brads-page@jlab.org" target="_blank">brads-page@jlab.org</a><br>
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new<br>
discoveries, is not "Eureka!" but "That's funny..." -- Isaac Asimov<br>
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