[dsg-hdice] Boxcar Averager Trial Dates

thomaso at jlab.org thomaso at jlab.org
Fri Oct 16 17:59:51 EDT 2020 

Hi Tyler,

I reached out to Ed and had a Teams meeting with him until just now. He
suggested a correction to the setup.  I also explained how busy we've been
and Ed said he would speak to his boss about getting an extension for the
trial.  I will let you know when Ed gets back to me.

I will work on the Boxcar Averager this weekend and meet with Ed again on
Monday to go over what I did and ask questions.  I will keep you posted. 
Thank you for working on the LabOne stuff, despite the circumstances.

-Tom


> Hi Tom,
>
> I was able to set up everything with your changes, but I'm not sure it's
> working correctly.
>
> It seems like the boxcar averager should use a constant reference
> frequency, but I am unable to change it from oscillator 1 (whose frequency
> is being swept by the sweeper module). Every time I use the GUI to change
> the boxcar's reference to oscillator 2, it automatically gets forced back
> to oscillator 1.
>
> The only thing I can think of to get oscillator 1's frequency to be a
> constant frequency is to change it so Signal Output 2 goes to the PD. This
> would let oscillator 2 be used for the frequency sweep while oscillator 1
> can be set to stay constant for the boxcar averager.
>
> Have you tried out the boxcar averager? Maybe there's something I'm
> missing.
>
> Tyler
> ________________________________
> From: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:19 PM
> To: Tyler Lemon <tlemon at jlab.org>
> Cc: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>; dsg-hdice at jlab.org
> <dsg-hdice at jlab.org>
> Subject: Re: [dsg-hdice] Boxcar Averager Trial Dates
>
> Hi Tyler,
>
> I changed the connections so that Aux Output 1 goes to Signal Input 1,
> Signal Output 1 Goes to the PD and Returns from the PD to Signal Input 2.
> The Lock-In amplifier is now free to use.
>
> -Tom
>
>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> How is the Zurich Lock-in amplifier set up? I'm guessing it is set up
>> with
>> all the typical connections you all have used in the past for
>> measurements
>> using it? From Ed's demo, it looks like we'd need to connect one of the
>> lock-in amplifier's auxiliary outputs to the second lock-in amplifier
>> input and then use that input for the boxcar averager.
>>
>> I've been looking at the boxcar averager and sweeper since your last
>> email
>> and have noticed a few things. It seems like the the boxcar averager
>> wants
>> you to use oscillator 1 as its reference frequency. With the current set
>> up, I'm not sure if this is helpful since currently, that oscillator is
>> the one that changes in frequency when you run a sweep. From this
>> finding,
>> it seems like for the boxcar averager, we'd need to change the output
>> that
>> goes to the NMR coil from output 1 to output 2.
>>
>>  I'm not sure if there's much else I can do or try without being able to
>> change out the cables or anything. With that, I can release the lock-in
>> amplifier so you or anyone else can take a look.
>>
>> Tyler
>> ________________________________
>> From: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 12:50 PM
>> To: Tyler Lemon <tlemon at jlab.org>
>> Cc: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>; Xiangdong Wei <xwei at jlab.org>;
>> Brian Eng <beng at jlab.org>; dsg-hdice at jlab.org <dsg-hdice at jlab.org>
>> Subject: Re: [dsg-hdice] Boxcar Averager Trial Dates
>>
>> Hi Tyler,
>>
>> The Zurich Lock-In Amplifier is all yours now.
>>
>> -Tom
>>
>>
>>> Okay, no problem.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 12:23 PM
>>> To: Tyler Lemon <tlemon at jlab.org>
>>> Cc: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>; Xiangdong Wei <xwei at jlab.org>;
>>> Brian Eng <beng at jlab.org>; dsg-hdice at jlab.org <dsg-hdice at jlab.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [dsg-hdice] Boxcar Averager Trial Dates
>>>
>>> Hi Tyler,
>>>
>>> We connected the cables, but I would like some time to run some sweeps
>>> and
>>> see if I can quickly replicate what we saw overnight. I'm taking some
>>> background sweeps right now.  I will let you know when I finish and you
>>> can access the L.I. amplifier.
>>>
>>> -Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>> Okay, Tom.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the update!
>>>>
>>>> Tyler
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:57 AM
>>>> To: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>
>>>> Cc: Tyler Lemon <tlemon at jlab.org>; Xiangdong Wei <xwei at jlab.org>;
>>>> Brian
>>>> Eng <beng at jlab.org>; dsg-hdice at jlab.org <dsg-hdice at jlab.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [dsg-hdice] Boxcar Averager Trial Dates
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tyler,
>>>>
>>>> The plan is to connect Zurich rack to the PD around noon today. I will
>>>> email you as soon as we have it set.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tyler,
>>>>>
>>>>> Not yet unfortunately.  The target wasn't ready until late last
>>>>> night.
>>>>> Using Rack #1, we started running NMR around midnight and just
>>>>> finished
>>>>> the first run a few minutes ago. As soon as I get the newest schedule
>>>>> regarding the target, I will arrange to connect the Zurich Lock-In
>>>>> and
>>>>> let
>>>>> you know.
>>>>>
>>>>> I apologize this doesn't give you much time to try out the boxcar
>>>>> averager
>>>>> with an actual target.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you all had the chance to hook up the Zurich lock-in amplifier
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> target?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tyler
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 8:12 AM
>>>>>> To: Tyler Lemon <tlemon at jlab.org>
>>>>>> Cc: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>; Xiangdong Wei
>>>>>> <xwei at jlab.org>;
>>>>>> Brian Eng <beng at jlab.org>; dsg-hdice at jlab.org <dsg-hdice at jlab.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [dsg-hdice] Boxcar Averager Trial Dates
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tyler,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was a delay in condensing a new target.  The gas being used
>>>>>> needed
>>>>>> to be purified.  I might be able to connect the cables this
>>>>>> afternoon.
>>>>>> The Zurich Lock-In Amplifier will still be available for you to use
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> mean time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for letting me know. Glad to hear the activation went
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>> without issues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll take a look this afternoon to figure out the boxcar averager
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> save
>>>>>>> time when the cables are reconnected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Tyler
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 2:27 PM
>>>>>>> To: Tyler Lemon <tlemon at jlab.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Xiangdong Wei <xwei at jlab.org>; thomaso at jlab.org
>>>>>>> <thomaso at jlab.org>;
>>>>>>> Brian Eng <beng at jlab.org>; dsg-hdice at jlab.org <dsg-hdice at jlab.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [dsg-hdice] Boxcar Averager Trial Dates
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Tyler,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Boxcar Averager feature is now unlocked in LabOne.  A new
>>>>>>> target
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> currently being condensed today in the production dewer, which
>>>>>>> requires
>>>>>>> the NMR cables be disconnected.  If you are interested in checking
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> features without a target this afternoon, you are welcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will let you know when the cables are reconnected and we are able
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> actually take measurements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That seems like a good plan to me, too, since it avoids any
>>>>>>>> uncertainty
>>>>>>>> about the access privileges all together.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>> Tyler
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: dsg-hdice <dsg-hdice-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of
>>>>>>>> Xiangdong
>>>>>>>> Wei
>>>>>>>> <xwei at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 1:22:07 AM
>>>>>>>> To: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>; Brian Eng <beng at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: dsg-hdice at jlab.org <dsg-hdice at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [dsg-hdice] Boxcar Averager Trial Dates
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds good to me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Xiangdong
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: dsg-hdice <dsg-hdice-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of
>>>>>>>> thomaso at jlab.org
>>>>>>>> <thomaso at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 9:55 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Brian Eng <beng at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: dsg-hdice at jlab.org <dsg-hdice at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [dsg-hdice] Boxcar Averager Trial Dates
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I emailed Ed about the situation and he offered a different
>>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>> suggested connecting my personal laptop to the Lock-In amplifier
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> USB cable.  I could let him use my laptop to activate the device
>>>>>>>> features.
>>>>>>>> Once he activates the features, any PC that connects to the device
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> automatically have access to the new features.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this case, the earliest we could start the trial would be
>>>>>>>> Tuesday
>>>>>>>> afternoon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tyler, I can make sure you have as much access to the device as
>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>> to explore the new features before you go on vacation.  I can
>>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> out in the evening and on the weekend when you are away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will contact Ed again and get back with an update.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unless it is something already built in I don't think it's
>>>>>>>>> allowed,
>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>>>> installing TeamViewer software.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen anything that says you couldn't do a screen share
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>> someone else control (since Teams seems to at least have the
>>>>>>>>> possibility
>>>>>>>>> of doing that), but you might want to check with the CC to be
>>>>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>> From: dsg-hdice <dsg-hdice-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of Tyler
>>>>>>>>> Lemon
>>>>>>>>> <tlemon at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 3:47 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: dsg-hdice at jlab.org <dsg-hdice at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [dsg-hdice] Boxcar Averager Trial Dates
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>>>> I'd be available anytime except for 11:00 - 12:00 for the Teams
>>>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>>>> with Ed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter and Brian,
>>>>>>>>> Just to maybe head off a problem, is using Teams to have an
>>>>>>>>> non-JLab
>>>>>>>>> user
>>>>>>>>> access a JLab PC allowable?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tom, if the remote control aspect is not okay, would it be
>>>>>>>>> sufficient
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> Ed to remotely view my screen while I type and control the PC
>>>>>>>>> connected
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the lock-in amplifier?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tyler
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>> From: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 3:36 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Tyler Lemon <tlemon at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>; dsg-hdice at jlab.org
>>>>>>>>> <dsg-hdice at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [dsg-hdice] Boxcar Averager Trial Dates
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Tyler,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will ask Ed if we can start Monday.  He mentioned in his last
>>>>>>>>> email
>>>>>>>>> that to start the trial "This will require a computer connected
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> instrument that I can gain remote control over through teamviewer
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> activate the option."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I won't have access to a PC connected to the Lock-In amplifier
>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>>> Tuesday.  Tyler, would you have access to a PC Monday?  If so,
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> have time on Monday to have a virtual meeting with Ed so he can
>>>>>>>>> activate
>>>>>>>>> the trial?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It seems like the best option would be to see if the trial
>>>>>>>>>> period
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> start on Monday. That way there'd be enough time for you all in
>>>>>>>>>> HDice
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> look into it, too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do not think it would be possible to write a program for the
>>>>>>>>>> boxcar
>>>>>>>>>> averager during the one week trial period. Using the boxcar
>>>>>>>>>> averager
>>>>>>>>>> during the trial period would have to be done through "manual"
>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> what was shown in the demo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To not waste any part of the trial period, it might be a good
>>>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>> talk to Ed and verify the best way to set up the signals for the
>>>>>>>>>> boxcar
>>>>>>>>>> averager. If I remember correctly from the demo, the signal
>>>>>>>>>> detected
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> the lock-in amplifier would need to be output through one of the
>>>>>>>>>> Zurich
>>>>>>>>>> lock-in amplifier's auxiliary outputs and then into the boxcar
>>>>>>>>>> averager
>>>>>>>>>> input.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tyler
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> From: thomaso at jlab.org <thomaso at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Tyler Lemon <tlemon at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [dsg-hdice] Boxcar Averager Trial Dates
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tyler,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was speaking to Xiangdong today about our schedules.  We will
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> starting Run 2 of the experiment by the 26th.  He believes him
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> be too busy with running the experiment at UITF to be able to
>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Boxcar Averager at this point.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He came up with two suggestions.  First would be to activate the
>>>>>>>>>> trial
>>>>>>>>>> possibly today (or more realistically Monday) if you have time
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>> checking out the Boxcar features before your vacation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The second option would be to start the trial on 10/26 when you
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>>>>> Xiangdong pointed out that if we wait until then, it wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>> time before we'd need the device for taking actual measurements.
>>>>>>>>>> Also,
>>>>>>>>>> Xiangdong said we would have to let the DSG take over working
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Boxcar Averager since all our time will be devoted to Run 2 of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> experiment. He wasn't sure how long you would need to
>>>>>>>>>> investigate
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> device/LabOne, write a program, and test before needing to take
>>>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>>>> measurements.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think about the situation when you have a
>>>>>>>>>> chance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I will be on vacation from 10/17 through 10/25, so would it be
>>>>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> have trial period starting 10/26?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tyler
>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> From: dsg-hdice <dsg-hdice-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of
>>>>>>>>>>> thomaso at jlab.org
>>>>>>>>>>> <thomaso at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 12:15 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: dsg-hdice at jlab.org <dsg-hdice at jlab.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [dsg-hdice] Boxcar Averager Trial Dates
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tyler,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm working with Ed, from Zurich, to schedule the 1 week trial
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Boxcar Averager.  I was thinking of asking the trial to be from
>>>>>>>>>>> Wednesday
>>>>>>>>>>> October 14th to Wednesday October 21st given the HDice
>>>>>>>>>>> schedule.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However I wanted to check with you and your group first to see
>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> time frame works with your schedules should you want to try out
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>> features?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>
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