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Sorry for coming too late with all this. Also, stupid me lost the link to Overleaf. Can please somebody re-send it to me? But looking into the budget proposals, I'm now really getting puzzled. So, we are
<b>not</b> going to repeat the cylindrical uRWell test at Fermilab ever? Or what is the idea now? I understand we cannot ask money for the cylindrical stuff, but for the flat one of course we can! And pretend we bring a ~$30k "in-kind" to this party (the cost
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Under these circumstances (and if I was allowed to work on this topic myself) I'd certainly consider to recycle a good fraction of the BiZ enclosure design, adjust it to a flattened pair of cylindrical foils, ask for ~$3k M&S + ~$25k travel money, and pretend
that - given the circumstances - we are proposing a low risk, low channel count and already to a large extent existing solution for this endcap, assuming a 6 (or say 8) sector design. Rephrasing what Marcus said yesterday: are we otherwise proposing 180 degree
sectors only because we are not interested in building the smaller ones? Anyway, even if the cylindrical foils got damaged, we with Craig still have enough money in our CERN account to ask Rui fix them (or disconnect the faulty segments), without even asking
the project for any new money. I don't know. If anything in our proposal was going to be funded, from my perspective it is this part, which is kind of a no-brainer. But then please we need somebody to lead this effort. I personally can only help adjusting
the enclosure design, and hopefully when the dust settles, be allowed to go to Fermilab next Spring with you.</div>
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Cheers,</div>
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<div>Just to support Alexander's approach I would like to inform you that in my lab there are 4-5 GEM foils (framed, ready to be used) trapezoid shape, size: X - 27.5 x 44.5. Y - 47.5 cm. (active area).</div>
<div> Needed construction space and test facility are available.</div>
<div> So, the "mechanical" step can be very close to pre production prototype.</div>
<div> I am sure that the needed size (and shape) MMG can be prepared in one year. It should be confirmed of course.</div>
<div>Best regards, Nikolai.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I see your point, but in that case I would argue that since the design and tooling are already available, we can just request funding for the fabrication of the uRWELL PCB from CERN if you think a full detector could be assembled within a year. </div>
<div dir="ltr">This way, we still get to complete the R&D on the cylindrical in parallel </div>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">We are already in the process of testing that medium-size with the cylindrical detector, so I don’t think there is much point to flattening it out and building yet another intermediate-size gas envelope.</span></p>
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<p><b>From:</b> Kiselev, Alexander <<a href="mailto:ayk@bnl.gov" target="_blank">ayk@bnl.gov</a>>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12pt; color:black"> actually, after some thinking, I still don't understand why cannot we propose reusing the existing cylindrical prototype foils in a flat configuration, in addition to building a large dummy
mockup, in the same proposal. The rationale is that indeed one year is not enough to build a large one, fine, but what's wrong about pretending we test a medium size one on the readout side, as an intermediate step to whatever happens past FY24, along with
exploring mechanical and Co limitations of a full size detector? Then, whatever happens after FY24, we claim that we know how to build large frames, and we know that a reasonable size uRWell with a sparse readout works, beyond which point a full size working
detector is the only remaining option to proceed. Otherwise we will always be kind of missing this intermediate scaling step from ~10cm to ~1m, to formulate a credible proposal next time IMHO.</span></p>
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Tarafdar, Sourav <<a href="mailto:sourav.tarafdar@vanderbilt.edu" target="_blank">sourav.tarafdar@vanderbilt.edu</a>>; Huong Nguyen <<a href="mailto:htn3r.uva@gmail.com" target="_blank">htn3r.uva@gmail.com</a>>; Marcus Hohlmann <<a href="mailto:hohlmann@fit.edu" target="_blank">hohlmann@fit.edu</a>>;
Nikolai Smirnov <<a href="mailto:nikolai.smirnov@yale.edu" target="_blank">nikolai.smirnov@yale.edu</a>>; matt posik <<a href="mailto:mposik1983@gmail.com" target="_blank">mposik1983@gmail.com</a>>; Annalisa D'Angelo <<a href="mailto:annalisa.dangelo@roma2.infn.it" target="_blank">annalisa.dangelo@roma2.infn.it</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [External] Re: [Erd108] Quick meeting today</span><span lang="FR">
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<p><span lang="FR" style="font-size:12pt; color:black"> Hi Kondo,</span><span lang="FR"></span></p>
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<p><span lang="FR" style="font-size:12pt; color:black"> unless the meeting took place at 2pm already, hat is the zoom link?</span><span lang="FR"></span></p>
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<p><span lang="FR" style="font-size:12pt; color:black"> Alexander.</span><span lang="FR"></span></p>
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<p><b><span lang="FR" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="FR" style="color:black"> Erd108 <<a href="mailto:erd108-bounces@jlab.org" target="_blank">erd108-bounces@jlab.org</a>> on behalf of Kondo Gnanvo <<a href="mailto:kagnanvo@jlab.org" target="_blank">kagnanvo@jlab.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 5, 2023 9:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:erd108@jlab.org" target="_blank">erd108@jlab.org</a> <<a href="mailto:erd108@jlab.org" target="_blank">erd108@jlab.org</a>>; Woody, Craig <<a href="mailto:woody@bnl.gov" target="_blank">woody@bnl.gov</a>>; Azmoun, Bob <<a href="mailto:azmoun@bnl.gov" target="_blank">azmoun@bnl.gov</a>>;
Tarafdar, Sourav <<a href="mailto:sourav.tarafdar@vanderbilt.edu" target="_blank">sourav.tarafdar@vanderbilt.edu</a>>; Huong Nguyen <<a href="mailto:htn3r.uva@gmail.com" target="_blank">htn3r.uva@gmail.com</a>>; Marcus Hohlmann <<a href="mailto:hohlmann@fit.edu" target="_blank">hohlmann@fit.edu</a>>;
Nikolai Smirnov <<a href="mailto:nikolai.smirnov@yale.edu" target="_blank">nikolai.smirnov@yale.edu</a>>; matt posik <<a href="mailto:mposik1983@gmail.com" target="_blank">mposik1983@gmail.com</a>>; Annalisa D'Angelo <<a href="mailto:annalisa.dangelo@roma2.infn.it" target="_blank">annalisa.dangelo@roma2.infn.it</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Erd108] Quick meeting today</span><span lang="FR"> </span></p>
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<p><span lang="FR">Dear all, </span></p>
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<p><span lang="FR">Let’s have a quick meeting today to finalize the eRD108 proposal </span></p>
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<p><span lang="FR">I would suggest 2pm EST. We can move the time around to whichever works for all </span></p>
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<p><span lang="FR">I will send the zoom links later but it is the same eRD108 in case i forget</span></p>
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<p><span lang="FR">Francesco: </span></p>
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<p><span lang="FR">If you can not make it, could you still take care of the Micromegas section of the document addressing both progress report and proposal </span></p>
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<p><span lang="FR">The document is due this Friday. We are frighteningly late </span></p>
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<p><span lang="FR">Best regards </span></p>
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<p><span lang="FR">Kondo </span></p>
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