[FFA_CEBAF_Collab] [EXTERNAL] Re: FFA at CEBAF WG mtg. this Friday, May 30

Mon Jun 2 13:54:09 EDT 2025

Dear Stephen, 

I have just implemented the sqrt length and sqrt of the bending angles of the old "baseline" FFA FODO lattice on Bmad model. The results are promising as Stephen foresees, see attached. The beta function for 11 GeV looks like scaled up rather than down, but the lower energies return ~10 m or lower beta funcs. 

I think as Kristen has taken the initiative, many thanks again, for correcting the baseline lattice in the orbit positions; on the other hand those new scaled FFA lattice would suffice the LDRD full proposal onto the beam transport testbed that we would submit if we are given green light. 

Thanks and regards,
Salim. 

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Subject: Re: [FFA_CEBAF_Collab] [EXTERNAL] Re: FFA at CEBAF WG mtg. this Friday, May 30

Yes, I thought maybe we could overall shorten the cell and that would naturally decrease the energy range, even the overall radius of curvature and magnet cross-sections and fields could be the same.  The betas would scale down with lengths.  Tunes would be the same.

I think it's basically to get 1/2 energy you multiply all lengths (and bend angles) by 1/sqrt(2).  11-22GeV would become 5.5-11GeV.

Scott, I can go through what the "baseline" FODO lattice I provided way back in Dec 2022 is, the following file shows one arc element-by-element.

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jeffersonlab-2Dmy.sharepoint.com_-3At-3A_r_personal_tristan-5Fjlab-5Forg_Documents_Grad-2520Student-25202019_Graduate-2520Student-2520Steering_CEBAF-2520FFA-2520Working-2520Group_Optics_FFA-2520Arcs_Brooks-5F20221216_Muon1_listcomponents-5FCEBAF-5FDec-252722-5Feast-5FMatchBentTrue.txt-3Fcsf-3D1-26web-3D1-26e-3DaxqOuR&d=DwIGaQ&c=CJqEzB1piLOyyvZjb8YUQw&r=Ogg4WFNBwvADBq3fkmCLiJ7SaRDPYtawHzJElJMB0jE&m=PopKNslxSMCtM51-QDazXpIquCL-gDw1DUDZucbo6gUuKWInMm7nJOYM25nmzd7i&s=nNKP_OKUMkAWZcQFVzq5iYBa1SeReueIA_sfmz03HPM&e= 

     -Stephen

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Subject: [FFA_CEBAF_Collab] [EXTERNAL] Re:  FFA at CEBAF WG mtg. this Friday, May 30

A couple more thoughts on the discussion we had:

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What about putting the cell on a mover that lets us change x-z, to help with setting up different initial conditions?
  *
I'm mildly concerned with a design where we can only probe one side of the aperture, and close to the limit. There seems to be a lot of risk there (beam is not in the mood to reach the energy, magnets come in with a lower Br than expected, etc.). How about a design where we don't quite imitate our cell, but maybe use the same magnet cross sections, but remove one or two slices from each magnet? We could even see if we could have two options, one where we remove the end slices, and one where we have all the slices. I'm being sloppy on details here, so maybe it's not as straightforward as I'm imagining, but it seems something like this could be made to work.

-Scott

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Subject: Re: [FFA_CEBAF_Collab] FFA at CEBAF WG mtg. this Friday, May 30

Hi All,

Great discussion today. Attached are the meeting notes (FFA_at_CEBAF_Minutes_20250530.pdf<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://jeffersonlab-my.sharepoint.com/:b:/r/personal/tristan_jlab_org/Documents/Grad*20Student*202019/Graduate*20Student*20Steering/CEBAF*20FFA*20Working*20Group/Minutes/FFA_at_CEBAF_Minutes_20250530.pdf?csf=1&web=1&e=5tBLcc__;JSUlJSUlJQ!!P4SdNyxKAPE!Hth8QVRfyn3UHMdYpmsUIuQaHu7wl7enJtqrepyyyPNres8ltwkhDBquAHIBTrSS8cL07zX9yEwDBFKmHyDGs-zE5g$ >).

Have a great weekend,
Donish

On May 27, 2025, at 3:08 PM, Alex Bogacz via FFA_CEBAF_Collab <ffa_cebaf_collab at jlab.org> wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

We will continue our design efforts this Friday, May 30, at 11:00 am.

  *   Gearing up for FFA beam transport test - Salim
  *   Splitter design, magnet error tolerances  - Donish
  *   AOB - ALL

Please, follow a ZOOM invitation below.

Cheers,

Alex

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Center for Advanced Studies of Accelerators

Jefferson Lab

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