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Greetings,<br>
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My issue is with the difference of the pulls under the same
conditions. This should not be. This can only be true if somehow the
data sets are different. I do not agree with you that we an live
with somewhat different pull and CL distributions and I believe
having a meeting on this would be beneficial.<br>
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I understand we have been through this several time, in fact it is
always FSU that brought this up and it was discussed. Now I am
bringing it up and wish to discuss it. I would hope for the same
professional courtesy as FSU received on the subject. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/18/15 6:16 PM, Volker Crede
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<div>Michael,</div>
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<div>We have been trough this several times and I am afraid we
will never agree on these fine-tuning parameters. On the other
hand, as long as the actual code is the same, I believe we can
live with somewhat different pull and CL distributions …
provided they look okay.</div>
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<div>On Dec 18, 2015, at 12:11 PM, "Michael C. Kunkel" <<a
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> This is obvious, and
hence why Lei asked for everyone to show their pulls.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/18/15 6:09 PM, Volker
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Apparently, there is more to it … Our distributions look
better.
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<div>On Dec 18, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Michael C. Kunkel
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Incorrect.
If you run a diff on the codes from FSU and the
one shown there is no difference in any file.<br>
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PM, Volker Crede wrote:<br>
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Michael,
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<div>I don't think this is what FSU uses for
the pions … Our pulls and CL distribution
look slightly better.</div>
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<div>On Dec 16, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Michael
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Greetings, <br>
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Below is a link that shows the pull
probability and pull distributions
look like for the tune channel of p
pip pim. These parameters are what
FSU, ODU, Bochum, and others use for
pions. <br>
We had agreed that the pull
distributions were adequate if the
pull probability is adequate. However
as you can see from the plot, there is
a small rise in the pull probability
when it approaches 1. <br>
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What do you think about this?
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