<html><body><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>The discussion sounds Orwellian </div><div>All animals are equal but some are more equal than others</div><div><br></div><div data-marker="__SIG_PRE__">-Eugene</div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Paul Eugenio" <peugenio@fsu.edu><br><b>To: </b>"Volker Crede" <vcrede@fsu.edu><br><b>Cc: </b>"g12@jlab.org g12@jlab.org" <g12@jlab.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, October 18, 2017 11:42:29 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [G12] g12 publication authorship recommendation<br></blockquote></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Again, I think there is some misunderstanding and over reaction. In hindsight, proper choice of wording such as lead authors and ordering as apposed to First and second lead author lists likely would have clarified the recommendation. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="" data-mce-style="color: #000000; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">--<br class=""> Prof. Paul Eugenio<br class=""> Florida State University<br class=""> Department of Physics<br class=""> Tallahassee, Florida, USA 32306<br class=""> <br class=""> (850) 644-2585<br class=""> <a href="mailto:peugenio@fsu.edu" class="" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:peugenio@fsu.edu">peugenio@fsu.edu</a><br class=""> <br class=""> <br class=""> <br class=""></div></div></div><br class=""><div><blockquote class=""><div class="">On Oct 18, 2017, at 9:38 AM, Volker Crede <<a href="mailto:vcrede@fsu.edu" class="" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:vcrede@fsu.edu">vcrede@fsu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="" data-mce-style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Good Morning,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I agree with Susan’s question(s). A novel approach to CLAS authorship needs to go through the CLAS Coordinating Committee and requires a collaboration-wide discussion. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t see what we are trying to accomplish here. There was nothing special about the g12 experiment that would justify a new authorship procedure. Quite the contrary, the proposed unique approach would raise all kinds of ethical concerns. From a personal point of view, I already find the usual first-authorship system somewhat questionable. A three-tier system would give extra credit to the g12 run group but simultaneously, would send a strong message to the rest of the collaboration.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please remove the FSU people from the secondary lead author list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best wishes,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> Volker</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote class=""><div class="">On Oct 18, 2017, at 3:21 AM, Susan Schadmand <<a href="mailto:s.schadmand@fz-juelich.de" class="" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:s.schadmand@fz-juelich.de">s.schadmand@fz-juelich.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">Hi Lei,</p><p class="">just a naive question - why do we need this, is the authorship not defined via rules of the collaboration?<br class=""></p><pre class="moz-signature">Regards,
Su.
Susan Schadmand
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</pre><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17.10.17 22:30, Lei Guo wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote cite="mid:3E6BB637-CF9B-4A0E-BB41-8C2EC3406E96@jlab.org" class="">As promised, please check the summary for today’s discussion on the g12 publication authorship. Please let me know if you see some wording that needs to be changed.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__clasweb.jlab.org_rungroups_g12_wiki_index.php_Dissertations-5Fand-5FPublications-23g12-5Fpublication-5Fauthorship-5Frecommendation&d=DwMFaQ&c=HPMtquzZjKY31rtkyGRFnQ&r=JNNs9K-auSa6rh56y2esuQ&m=T45z3K4YpbmZjB1EeWJqmeCsJBypgzfZvr_tujoMuuM&s=bOApSzdEpNL0x3FMoxZu1y75IqMNdABsWJ7z4NHb88Y&e=" class="" target="_blank" data-mce-href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__clasweb.jlab.org_rungroups_g12_wiki_index.php_Dissertations-5Fand-5FPublications-23g12-5Fpublication-5Fauthorship-5Frecommendation&d=DwMFaQ&c=HPMtquzZjKY31rtkyGRFnQ&r=JNNs9K-auSa6rh56y2esuQ&m=T45z3K4YpbmZjB1EeWJqmeCsJBypgzfZvr_tujoMuuM&s=bOApSzdEpNL0x3FMoxZu1y75IqMNdABsWJ7z4NHb88Y&e=">https://clasweb.jlab.org/rungroups/g12/wiki/index.php/Dissertations_and_Publications#g12_publication_authorship_recommendation</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Lei</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="" data-mce-style="letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Lei Guo</div><div class="">Associate Professor</div><div class="">Physics Department</div><div class="">Florida International University</div><div class="">Miami, FL</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">email: <a href="mailto:leguo@fiu.edu" class="" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:leguo@fiu.edu">leguo@fiu.edu</a> or <a href="mailto:lguo@jlab.org" class="" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:lguo@jlab.org">lguo@jlab.org</a></div><div class="">Office:305-348-0234</div></div></div></div><br class=""> <br class=""><fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset><br class=""><pre class="">_______________________________________________
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