[Gpdtc] [External] Re: [External] Re: Update....
Luchang Jin
luchang.jin at uconn.edu
Thu Dec 23 12:43:10 EST 2021
Dear all,
Same here. I think merger the efforts would be nice if the other group
is interested as well. Happy holidays!
Best wishes,
Luchang Jin
On 12/23/21 07:57, Schweitzer, Peter wrote:
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> Dear all,
>
> I also think that a merger of the 2 groups would certainly lead to a
> stronger and more balanced proposal.
>
> If the other group was interested, then I would be in favor of merging.
>
> Best wishes and Happy Holidays,
>
> Peter
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> *From:* Gpdtc <gpdtc-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of Andreas Metz
> <andreas.metz at temple.edu>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 23, 2021 7:35 AM
> *To:* Konstantinos Orginos <kostas at jlab.org>; Martha Constantinou
> <marthac at temple.edu>
> *Cc:* gpdtc at jlab.org <gpdtc at jlab.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Gpdtc] [External] Re: [External] Re: Update....
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> *Message sent from a system outside of UConn.*
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> Hello All,
>
> I too agree that we should consider working together. This could also
> extent, for either side, the scope of the project.
>
> Maybe we could consider contacting right away more than two people from
> the other group.
>
> Best wishes,
> Andreas
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> *From:* Gpdtc <gpdtc-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of Konstantinos Orginos
> <kostas at jlab.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 23, 2021 3:11 AM
> *To:* Martha Constantinou <marthac at temple.edu>
> *Cc:* gpdtc at jlab.org <gpdtc at jlab.org>
> *Subject:* [External] Re: [Gpdtc] [External] Re: Update....
> Hi Christian and David,
>
> I agree that it is a good idea to have joint project with these set of
> people. I am in Greece right now so it is not easy to take part in
> discussion (other than email) but will be back January 3rd.
>
> Best
>
> Kostas
>
> Στάλθηκε από το iPhone μου
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>> 23 Δεκ 2021, 8:56 πμ, ο χρήστης «Martha Constantinou
>> <marthac at temple.edu>» έγραψε:
>>
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I am also in favor of joining efforts and I second what Christian
>> said. In addition, it will give us more options for seeking
>> institutions for the two bridge positions.
>>
>> Best,
>> Martha
>>
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>> *From:* Gpdtc <gpdtc-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of Christian Weiss
>> <weiss at jlab.org>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 23, 2021 1:01:54 AM
>> *To:* David Richards <dgr at jlab.org>
>> *Cc:* gpdtc at jlab.org <gpdtc at jlab.org>
>> *Subject:* [External] Re: [Gpdtc] Update....
>>
>> David, All,
>>
>>
>> Definitely it makes sense to combine the efforts.
>>
>>
>> I regard this as a very positive development. It would be a chance to
>> create a very strong proposal and collaboration,
>> bringing together most of the active community in the US and the
>> leaders in the field.
>>
>>
>> [Not to diminish our own efforts, but it was/is clear that we do not
>> have the critical mass with the present group,
>> and that substantial expansion would have been needed for us to be
>> viable… I expressed this on several occasions.
>> Going together with them would solve this problem in a natural way.]
>>
>>
>> It is good that this is being coordinated now, before anyone starts
>> with serious preparations. The question of involving
>> Xiangdong and the CNF was raised early on in our discussions; our
>> explorations so far were based on the assumption
>> that “this is not on their radar”; if you have other information now
>> then clearly we should adjust our plans.
>>
>>
>> There is some merit in approaching them as a group, as you suggest; it
>> would show our preparations so far and give all
>> of us individually more leverage in the upcoming merger. We should
>> discuss whether there is anything we collectively
>> want to exact as a “price” for joining, as this would need to be
>> brought up early on and clearly; so far I don’t see anything.
>> I personally am prepared to bring up in the larger effort anything I
>> brought up in our group earlier ;-)
>>
>>
>> Again, this is a very positive development, and I look forward to
>> working further with you in this initiative.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>> Ch.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 22, 2021, at 3:26 PM, David Richards <dgr at jlab.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear All,
>> >
>> > I mentioned just before our meeting on Tuesday that Jianwei had received a call from Feng Yang (LBL) regarding topical collaborations, and it is only now that we’ve had an opportunity to talk. Let me summarize my understanding of the discussion between Feng and Jianwei, and then start some discussion about how to proceed.
>> >
>> > Feng Yang approached Jianwei about a possible topical collaboration broadly in the area of GPDs, and touching on CNF, and the people mentioned were Xiangdong (UMD/CNF), Yong Zhao (ANL), Hatta (BNL), Matthias Burkhardt (NMSU), and Phiala Shanahan (MIT).
>> >
>> > A few observations. Firstly, the numbers of participants are is somewhat smaller than our group. Second, the breadth of effort appears somewhat less, notably it is more heavily focused on “theory”, and less so on “lattice" and certainly on “global fitting/error quantization” and it is the amalgam of these efforts toward a common
>> goal that is at the core of our discussion. Finally, looking at the
>> lay of the land, it is hard to see how any of the institutions
>> mentioned above are likely to be able to obtain a commitment for a
>> bridge position that is almost certainly an important criterion.
>> >
>> > We do have a strong team, but having two proposals addressing too closely aligned physics goals would probably be pretty damaging to both. Further they do bring important strength across certain areas of demography. So one option is to ask them whether they would like to join our effort, and in what role - and if we are
>> to approach them for discussion, probably the first points of contact
>> would be Feng and Xiangdong. However, how to proceed has to be a
>> collective decision of all of us, so we need to have some discussion
>> first.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > David
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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