<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Unfortunately, it is a bit more than just the four-vectors. There also needs to be a release of matching<div>Monte Carlo data to be able to use the data.</div><div><br></div><div>curtis<br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On Jul 31, 2014, at 12:02 PM, Chip Watson <<a href="mailto:watson@jlab.org">watson@jlab.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<font size="+1">Concur, we don't want to generate unnecessary work
for ourselves. I would suggest that just the data in a plot is
insufficient. For example if what is show is a histogram (1D)
which is the result of statistical analysis of 20GB of 4 vectors,
then provide the 20GB file so others can try their own cuts on the
data. So probably not the raw data, but probably the N-tuples.
Yes, needs discussion and then specificity to satisfy the
directive.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/31/14 11:58 AM, Matthew Shepherd
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<pre wrap="">I think we need to define what "data" means in this case.
NSAC was briefed on this last summer and, as far as my
understanding goes, digital data can mean anything from
making the plots digitally available in PDF to providing
raw four-vectors, software, etc. to do a complete analysis.
I noticed that the third principle of the policy states:
"Not all data need to be shared or preserved. The costs and
benefits of doing so should be considered in data
management planning."
I think a good strategy to start with is to making available
in tabular form any data points, error bars, etc. that
appear in papers in refereed journals.
This seems to be optimal cost/benefit point as others
may want to do fits to cross sections,
extracted scattering amplitudes, etc. from GlueX data.
It is more useful than just a plot, but not as cumbersome
as making the raw data available. I don't think the
raw data would be of much use to most people anyway
without the insider experience to analyze it.
In this case the DOI would reference tabular data
that was relevant for plots in a particular journal article
(not terabytes of actual and simulated data).
Of course this needs more discussion and we need
to make sure that what we do is compliant with the
policy, but I'd argue for thinking about what is most
logical and useful first and see if it fits the guidelines
rather than trying to glean specific guidance from
what is a very general policy.
Matt</pre>
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