[Halld-pid] Start Counter "warming"

[Timothy Whitlatch]

Hi All,

It looks like the weakest link is the West System 105/205 epoxy. It is good to about 50C.

Cheers,


Timothy Whitlatch PE (Virginia)

Hall D Chief Engineer

Jefferson Lab

757-269-5087

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Subject: [Halld-pid] [EXTERNAL] Re: Start Counter "warming"


Hi Beni,



When warming the detector remember that the scintillators are held together with a self-clinging plastic packing wrap. I do not know how this reacts when it gets warm (I think we still have some of the material here somewhere), we do not want the detectors getting loose or too tight. Also, the rohacell foam support and the carbon fiber inner tube are glued to the aluminum mandril and you might want to ask the engineers about the temperature properties of the glue that was used.



Kind regards



Werner





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Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [Halld-pid] Start Counter "warming"

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Hello Beni,

Looking at the plots, I agree with your assessment of significant gain degradation. However, I am a bit dubious that the gain can be recovered by that much via annealing. This will be an interesting test.

Best regards,
Fernando

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From: Fernando Barbosa <barbosa at jlab.org>
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Subject: RE: Start Counter "warming"

Hello Beni,

I suggest 40 to 60 degree C and 1 month of annealing should provide considerable recovery. I would also suggest keeping the bias off.

Best regards,
Fernando

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From: Benedikt Zihlmann <zihlmann at jlab.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 7:20 AM
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Subject: Start Counter "warming"

Hi Fernando, Werner,

in view of the fact that we do see a significant degradation in the gain of the Start counter response over the years I was thinking if active "annealing" may help.
see also:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://halldweb.jlab.org/wiki/index.php/Start_Counter_Operations*Run_Period_Winter_2023__;Iw!!FjuHKAHQs5udqho!Nk-OYfMHDbkBaRlkuKDCils8sI-c1M2TiRC4IK3Omz3pN4U1-69uADQTkIB3RpB9iK3wYcztgQCBt_1Rmrw$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/halldweb.jlab.org/wiki/index.php/Start_Counter_Operations*Run_Period_Winter_2023__;Iw!!FjuHKAHQs5udqho!Nk-OYfMHDbkBaRlkuKDCils8sI-c1M2TiRC4IK3Omz3pN4U1-69uADQTkIB3RpB9iK3wYcztgQCBt_1Rmrw$>

It is not clear why this drop in gain occurred. It does not seem to be related to a loss in light since the ration of width divided by mean-amplitude has not changed much, and in the nose area not at all (this is the middle histogram of the plot). So the source of the loss in gain may be related to the SiPM photo sensor itself?

We know "annealing" helps with regards to dark current but I am not aware of recovering gain.
An active annealing can be employed by covering the photo sensor area with a "heating blanket"
and warm up the region to a certain temperature. The question is what temperature can be considered "save" with regards to the PCB board and electronics as well as the plastic scintillators.

how high in temperature do you think can we go without affecting these parts? 70 degree Celsius or even more?
The time frame for such an "annealing" attempt would be of order 1 month.

any comments?

cheers,
Beni




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