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Hi Elliott, all,<br>
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My responses follows:<br>
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On 11/6/2012 2:56 PM, Elliott Wolin wrote:
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Hi,<br>
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Our thinking from way back is to avoid running signals to the
counting house. Instead we would connect internet-controllable
scopes to the signals and view the output in the counting house.<br>
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Yes, that's the way to go.<br>
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Also, the lab prefers to use internet cameras instead of video.
With these we can place a camera anywhere there is ethernet
access, which is everywhere.<br>
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Fernando can comment on potential grounding problems associated
with running copper from e.g. the collimator cave to the counting
house. <br>
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Of course this would be terrible from a grounding stand point but it
should be OK if one just wants to check for some anomalies, for
example.<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:50996B63.9060208@jlab.org" type="cite"> The
baseline DAQ doesn't include a DAQ crate in the collimator cave, I
assume Richard refers to a monitoring crate. If such monitoring
is needed we can discuss how we might do this.<br>
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This should be put on the ETC now. We have space in the upstream
level 1 racks, if needed.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Fernando<br>
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On 11/06/2012 12:59 PM, Fernando J Barbosa wrote:
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Hi Richard,<br>
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This seems to be a question for controls . The original plan was
to have just fibers going to the counting house, no coax cables
(maybe just a few now).<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Fernando<br>
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On 11/6/2012 11:51 AM, Richard Jones wrote:
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Fernando,<br>
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The cabling plans that I have seen have focused on detector
subsystems. I don't think we have established plans yet for
beamline related sensors that are not a part of the data
acquisition. Examples of this would be coax cables for
video cameras looking at the radiator target, and background
rate monitor scintillators that we will want placed at
various locations along the beamline. How many of these and
where they will be placed is not fixed yet, but it will be
very useful to have patch panels with connections to the
counting house so we can look at various things when beam is
in the hall. The same thing goes for the collimator cave.
Especially during commissioning it will be useful to have
measurements of background in the cave, and know how things
are changing with beam tune, etc.<br>
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When I was thinking about these things, it struck me that it
would be useful to also be able to view the currents from
the active collimator directly in the counting house, and do
the signal digitization there. This way we do not have to
put a data acquisition crate in the high-radiation area of
the collimator cave and risk it rebooting, etc. Especially
during commissioning this would seem to be useful.<br>
<br>
-Richard J.<br>
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On 11/6/2012 10:14 AM, Fernando J Barbosa wrote:<br>
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Hi Richard,<br>
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I have been talking about cables and such for years and you
never requested these. Are these anywhere on the plans? Any
details?<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Fernando<br>
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On 11/6/2012 9:08 AM, Richard Jones wrote:
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type="cite"> Hi Fernando,<br>
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I don't know where this request should be routed, so I am
sending it directly to you. I would like to make sure
that we have coaxial connections from the upstream wall of
the collimator cave to the counting house. Here are some
signals that we would like to be able to read directly,
and minimize how much DAq electronics we need to place in
a hot radiation area.<br>
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<li>output signals from the active collimator: 8</li>
<li>cave background rate monitor scintillators: 2-4</li>
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<p>A panel of 16 or 24 would be sufficient, I believe.
There are also controls for the collimator translation
stage and associated limit switches. Further downstream
there is the converter target ladder, which may be
inside the cave or outside, depending on the ability to
shield the stray magnetic field from the pair
spectrometer. I just want to make sure we have cables
and cable trays for these interconnects, as it may be
difficult to add them later.<br>
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<p>-Richard Jones<br>
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