<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">HI, Folks. I have not been able to attend these meetings this semester. I note that the predicted fractional rate is an order of magnitude smaller than was estimated in the proposal document and also Seamus’s simulation from a while ago.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">One cross-check would be to run this for E158 kinematics (which I will be happy to give you). We have an actual measurement of the pion rate there in a dedicated run. We got 0.13% if I recall and simple scaling arguments would tell you that this should be roughly invariant for the kinematics of MOLLER (4 times lower energy but roughly twice the polar range).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers, KK</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 5, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Neven Simicevic <<a href="mailto:neven@phys.latech.edu" class="">neven@phys.latech.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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This time I attach the doc file. PDF was still to big.<br class="">
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Hello all,<br class="">
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I have calculated electron and pion rates. For the file not to be to
big, attached are the results without figures.<br class="">
If you have time you could look at them. I'll explain them during
the meeting.<br class="">
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Neven<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/04/2017 10:12 AM, Kurtis Bartlett
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As a reminder to the members of the <span class="m_1771758128490154596m_7728306874532789179m_-1454229031253393096m_-7059616030237860476m_6598305119741077375m_581691258447352265m_-2983144210669640487m_7714064982042988025m_3723910778592663036m_-4098367283173685901m_-8730992862358660488m_-4991608047743486789m_2145963482046753178m_-3216089366405490180m_6242814976674702406m_6383061932988912735gmail-m_2175965128871661572gmail-m_-4121694774762064494gmail-il"><span class="m_1771758128490154596m_7728306874532789179m_-1454229031253393096m_-7059616030237860476m_6598305119741077375m_581691258447352265m_-2983144210669640487m_7714064982042988025m_3723910778592663036m_-4098367283173685901m_-8730992862358660488m_-4991608047743486789m_2145963482046753178m_-3216089366405490180m_6242814976674702406il"><span 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class="m_1771758128490154596m_7728306874532789179m_-1454229031253393096m_-7059616030237860476m_6598305119741077375il"><span class="m_1771758128490154596m_7728306874532789179m_-1454229031253393096m_-7059616030237860476il"><span class="m_1771758128490154596m_7728306874532789179m_-1454229031253393096il"><span class="m_1771758128490154596m_7728306874532789179il">MOLLER</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span> <span class="m_1771758128490154596m_7728306874532789179m_-1454229031253393096m_-7059616030237860476m_6598305119741077375m_581691258447352265m_-2983144210669640487m_7714064982042988025m_3723910778592663036m_-4098367283173685901m_-8730992862358660488m_-4991608047743486789m_2145963482046753178m_-3216089366405490180m_6242814976674702406m_6383061932988912735gmail-m_2175965128871661572gmail-m_-4121694774762064494gmail-il"><span 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working group, there will be a meeting on Tuesday at 4 pm EST.<br class="">
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College of Engineering and Science
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