[Pansophy] ColdFusion 2023

[Valerie Bookwalter]

Thank You Bobby!
It sounds right to me.

Valerie

From: Bobby Lawrence <robertl at jlab.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 8:26 PM
To: Valerie Bookwalter <bookwalt at jlab.org>; Kari Heffner <heffner at jlab.org>; Dana Cochran <cochran at jlab.org>
Cc: pansophy <pansophy at jlab.org>
Subject: ColdFusion 2023

FYI - ColdFusion 2023 has been released!
I'm working with Procurement to get some quotes based off this email I sent back in February.
Since Valerie thinks she can run Pansophy with only CF Standard, I'm thinking we will need 5 CF Standard licenses.  They run $2.5k a piece and are good for 2 cores.

Per their licensing terms, Adobe lets you use a single production license for a single staging server (https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/legal/licenses-terms/pdf/Adobe_ColdFusion-en_US-20151221_1720.pdf), so as long as we purchase licenses for our production servers, we can run the staging servers on the same license.

We (MIS) have 2 production servers both with 4 cores, so we need 4 licenses (2 licenses for each).  SRF/Pansophy has 1 production server with 1 core, so they only need 1 license.  So as long as we are sticking with Standard, we would need 5 licenses all together...roughly $12.5k.   That would be $10k for MIS and $2.5k for SRF.

Now - this doesn't include maintenance/support.  I've asked Procurement to ask about that as well so this cost may go up a bit.
FYI - Adobe as raised the prices for ColdFusion significantly over the past few years and a LOT of customers have switched to open source CFML products like Lucee (https://www.lucee.org).  It may be worth investigating Lucee to see if we can use it so that we don't have to pay for Adobe licensing every time we want to upgrade (there are no more free upgrades).

I'll let everyone know when we've got some quotes. Let me know if you don't think I'm on the right track with this...
--Bobby

From: Bobby Lawrence
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 2:38 PM
To: Valerie Bookwalter <bookwalt at jlab.org<mailto:bookwalt at jlab.org>>; pansophy <pansophy at jlab.org<mailto:pansophy at jlab.org>>
Cc: Kari Heffner <heffner at jlab.org<mailto:heffner at jlab.org>>; Dana Cochran <cochran at jlab.org<mailto:cochran at jlab.org>>
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Differences between ColdFusion Enterprise and Standard - Charlie Arehart

Interesting...some of the things in that PDF I didn't even know as far as licensing goes and I had to double-check the CF licensing agreement.

For example....licensing is based on the number of cores and each license is good for at most 2 cores.  We (MIS) have 4 servers (2 dev and 2 prod) and each server has 4 cores each.  However, we only pay for 4 licenses (instead of 8).  Turns out this is ok because, according to the licensing agreement under certain circumstances, production licenses can be used on dev/staging/test without the need for another license.  Out of our 4 licenses, they cover our 2 production servers.  But since we bought more than 1, it can also be used for 1 of our dev/staging/test servers.
Also - according to this, you guys have only needed 1 license of Enterprise....because that same license would cover both your production and development servers.  So you have been overpaying (palm-to-face)...

If you guys switch to CF Standard (since you don't think you need to be on Enterprise), we may be able to share licenses somehow.  I dont think we need 2 dev/staging/test servers and if we only had 2 production (4 core) servers, 1 dev/staging/test and you guys had 1 production (1 core) and 1 dev/staging/test, I think we would only need 5 licenses total.
4 for our production use (2 server, 4 core)
1 for your production use (1 server, 1 core)
This would give us the ability to use 2 of these standard licenses for dev use (1 for us, 1 for you)....

Anyway - like I wrote you in Teams....ColdFusion2023 is set to be released in the first half of 2023 and licensing now doesn't give you the free upgrade option so any upgrades have to have new licenses paid for.  If we upgrade to CF2021 now, we wouldn't be able to upgrade to CF2023 unless we pay for I (again).  So I'm thinking we should wait until CF2023 gets released, then we all upgrade to that....(ColdFusion 2023 Standard).  From what I've read, the release will probably like Q2 so we may have to wait until April/May/June....

From: Valerie Bookwalter <bookwalt at jlab.org<mailto:bookwalt at jlab.org>>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 2:01 PM
To: Bobby Lawrence <robertl at jlab.org<mailto:robertl at jlab.org>>; pansophy <pansophy at jlab.org<mailto:pansophy at jlab.org>>
Subject: Fwd: [EXTERNAL] Differences between ColdFusion Enterprise and Standard - Charlie Arehart



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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 1:45:36 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Differences between ColdFusion Enterprise and Standard - Charlie Arehart

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