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Using a <<TEXT>> field for dates is not an option. We need to use a proper date field. I've discussed it with the programmers at pansophy, and we can make it so that you have one that only shows a date. There are several ways this can be done. If this is just
for a couple of travelers, then you can put a <<NOTE>> field next to the timestamp field and we edit it. However, if this is going to be used more frequently, we can create a new field that only has a date and not the time. What are your thoughts?</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025 5:29 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> pansophy@jlab.org <pansophy@jlab.org>; Ashley Mitchell <ashleya@jlab.org>; Matt Weaks <weaksmc@jlab.org><br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Hi Allen,</p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal">I guess what I’m asking is, can you add or create a field that does what is needed here?
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">A formatted DATE entry, without a Now button, would be preferable to the current TIMESTAMP field. Especially since the Cal Certs don’t have times.</p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal">Using the Text field might be better than Timestamp for this situation; harder to datamine, but fewer CAPAs.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
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<b>Cc:</b> pansophy@jlab.org; Ashley Mitchell <ashleya@jlab.org>; Matt Weaks <weaksmc@jlab.org><br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Aptos; color:black">Unfortunately that is how the field works. My suggestion would be to either input the date and time manually, or hit "now" and edit the result to
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025 3:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Fischer <fischer@jlab.org>; Valerie Bookwalter <bookwalt@jlab.org>; Allen Samuels <samuels@jlab.org><br>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Dear Pansophy,</p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Is there any way to remove the “NOW” button from the fields for
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> [[CritLkRateDueDate]] <<TIMESTAMP>>?
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in">There’s no way that the Cal Due date will be the exact moment that someone presses that button, and may cause someone to not fill in the correct, future, “Due Date.”</p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Is there any way to remove the time of day part from the fields for
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> [[CritLkRateDueDate]] <<TIMESTAMP>>? Maybe there’s something like a “DATESTAMP”? The Cal Certs don’t have times listed, just dates.</p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Thanks,</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025 2:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Fischer <fischer@jlab.org>; Valerie Bookwalter <bookwalt@jlab.org>; Allen Samuels <samuels@jlab.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> pansophy@jlab.org; Ashley Mitchell <ashleya@JLAB.ORG>; Matt Weaks <weaksmc@jlab.org><br>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">John,</p>
<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">It’s your traveler, and you’re typically the one who closes them, so I think it’s your call. As long as no traveler gets closed with these fields left blank, we should avoid any more CAPAs.</p>
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<b>To:</b> Valerie Bookwalter <bookwalt@jlab.org>; Larry King <king@jlab.org>; Allen Samuels <samuels@jlab.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> pansophy@jlab.org; Ashley Mitchell <ashleya@jlab.org>; Matt Weaks <weaksmc@jlab.org><br>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Aptos; color:black">I would like to keep it simple and not have a hold point or "required" unless there is a need to satisfy something for ISO.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 19, 2025 3:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Larry King <king@jlab.org>; John Fischer <fischer@jlab.org>; Allen Samuels <samuels@jlab.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> pansophy@jlab.org <pansophy@jlab.org>; Ashley Mitchell <ashleya@jlab.org>; Matt Weaks <weaksmc@jlab.org><br>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-family:Aptos; color:black">It would mean that the page, where those data entry fields reside, can't be submitted unless they have values.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-family:Aptos; color:black">Which I don't think is a problem for John, since those values are put on paper copy and transposed later.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-family:Aptos; color:black">So, in this case, it may be a mute point, but could be utilized other places.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Larry King <king@jlab.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 19, 2025 3:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Valerie Bookwalter <bookwalt@jlab.org>; John Fischer <fischer@jlab.org>; Allen Samuels <samuels@jlab.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> pansophy@jlab.org <pansophy@jlab.org>; Ashley Mitchell <ashleya@jlab.org>; Matt Weaks <weaksmc@jlab.org><br>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:1.5in">Sounds good to me. I didn’t want to go so far as to add a hold point, just for Critical MTE, but a mandatory field sounds reasonable. What would the fields being left blank dis-allow?</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 19, 2025 3:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Larry King <king@jlab.org>; John Fischer <fischer@jlab.org>; Allen Samuels <samuels@jlab.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> pansophy@jlab.org; Ashley Mitchell <ashleya@jlab.org>; Matt Weaks <weaksmc@jlab.org><br>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:2.0in"><span style="font-family:Aptos; color:black">Do those data entry fields need to be REQUIRED?</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:2.0in"><span style="font-family:Aptos; color:black">This would force something to be entered.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:2.0in"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Larry King <king@jlab.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 19, 2025 3:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Fischer <fischer@jlab.org>; Allen Samuels <samuels@jlab.org>; Valerie Bookwalter <bookwalt@jlab.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> pansophy@jlab.org <pansophy@jlab.org>; Ashley Mitchell <ashleya@jlab.org>; Matt Weaks <weaksmc@jlab.org><br>
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<p class="x_xxxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:2.0in">Hi John,</p>
<p class="x_xxxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:2.0in">The call-out in step 24 for the Critical Measurement is exactly what is needed for my calibration program, and thanks for helping me develop the template.
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<p class="x_xxxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:2.0in">My hope is that the use of<span style="color:red"> red ink will remain</span> in the final, online version of the traveler. I’m not an Approver for this traveler, so please let me know if the red ink is
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<p class="x_xxxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:2.0in">Thanks,</p>
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<p class="x_xxxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:2.5in"><b>From:</b> John Fischer <fischer@jlab.org>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 19, 2025 10:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Allen Samuels <samuels@jlab.org>; Valerie Bookwalter <bookwalt@jlab.org><br>
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<p class="x_xxxxmsonormal" style="margin-left:2.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Aptos; color:black">I am beginning to add the MTE to our assembly travelers that require it. Here is the first one to be added to the system.</span></p>
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