<div dir="ltr">I agree that we need to be careful about how this discussion is phrased. My understanding is that the current machine design *does* provide higher luminosity than was being discussed when we first started putting all of this together. So we need to be careful about separating the benefit of having higher luminosities over a range of energies relative to earlier assumptions (and, e.g., the earlier White Papers) from the need for FURTHER improvement. In many cases, we are highlighting the benefit over earlier estimates based on already-implemented changes, and in some (fewer) cases, we're discussing what additional changes (luminosity, secondary focus, etc...) could give.<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>John</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 10:50 AM Pawel Nadel-Turonski <<a href="mailto:turonski@jlab.org">turonski@jlab.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>She time ago I expressed some worries about that some of the underlying assumption of this report did not correspond to reality, and as such there was a risk that it would do more harm than good. This latest version has not allayed my misgivings.
I will provide detailed comments later, but my two main concern are the following.</div>
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<div>1. The report repeatedly suggests that without an increase in luminosity at low energy the EIC will not be able to attain its stated physics goals. For instance, adding "in its low-to-medium center-of-mass energy implementation” to the discussion
on lines 10-12 in the executive summary serves no other purpose than to cast doubt about the general capabilities of the EIC.</div>
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<div>2. In the report it is often suggested that IP8 can be “optimized” to reach higher luminosity at low energy. However, the ONLY actual low-energy optimization that has been considered for IP8 is a configuration of the final-focus quads that would
enable slightly stronger focusing at low energy. In addition to this, one can consider various global accelerator tradeoffs that may or may not enhance luminosity at low energy - but these have nothing to do with IR8 or a second detector, and would apply to
both IRs/detectors.</div>
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<div>What is unique about IR8 is a dramatic improvement in forward acceptance, which also improves rates for exclusive processes just as a higher luminosity does, but none of the simulations in the report have been done using realistic acceptances
and thus the report has very little to say about this.</div>
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