[dsg-eic_dirc] Readout for the DIRC QA laser lab

Tue Sep 27 20:52:48 EDT 2022

Thanks Tyler and Brian,

Joe mentioned that old SLAC setup used two Hewlett Packard HP 34401A multimeters, the

current from the Hamamatsu silicone photodiode S1337-101BQ (the same as the S2281) was typically 50-200microAmp for the

resistor, using a 5V power supply.

Fernando after looking at the specs pointed out:

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For the 325 nm line, their offerings range from 2 mW to 100 mW and the photodiode has a responsivity of ~0.15  A/W (@325 nm). The current range is then 300 uA to 15 mA; measuring voltage with a 50 Ohm load, the range is 15 mV to 750 mV and you can easily increase these values with a larger resistor.

For the 442 nm line, their offerings range from 15 mW to 180 mW and the photodiode has a responsivity of ~0.25  A/W (@442 nm). The current range is then 3.75 mA to 45 mA; measuring voltage with a 50 Ohm load, the range is 190 mV to 2.25 V.

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Btw. can we add Joe to dsg-eic_dirc mailing list?

Cheers,

Greg

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From: Tyler Lemon <tlemon at jlab.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 7:47 AM
To: Brian Eng <beng at jlab.org>; Grzegorz Kalicy <gkalicy at jlab.org>
Cc: dsg-eic_dirc at jlab.org <dsg-eic_dirc at jlab.org>
Subject: Re: [dsg-eic_dirc] Readout for the DIRC QA laser lab

For transimpedance amplifiers, the more simple, ~$1k option from Thorlabs looks to be their series designed for photodiodes (link below).

https://www.thorlabs.com/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_ID=7083

The one "catch" with these is that the maximum rated input current is around 2 mA.

There are some benchtop options (links below) that allow up to 10 mA, but that also comes with a bigger $2k - $3.5k price tag for reading out two photodiodes.

Two PDA200C's
https://www.thorlabs.com/thorproduct.cfm?partnumber=PDA200C

One PRO800 with one PDA8000-2
https://www.thorlabs.com/thorproduct.cfm?partnumber=PRO800
https://www.thorlabs.com/thorproduct.cfm?partnumber=PDA8000-2

Do you all have any records or anything on the current seen from the photodiodes from previous tests?

The ~12 mA I mentioned earlier was calculated using specs from the laser manufacturer's tests and the photodiode manual. After talking to Brian, 12 mA seems high for photodiodes. I can't really think of a way to actually find out the currents we'll see without setting up the laser (we can't do this yet since the safety documentation is in progress).

-Tyler
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From: Brian Eng <beng at jlab.org>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 5:03 PM
To: Grzegorz Kalicy <gkalicy at jlab.org>
Cc: Tyler Lemon <tlemon at jlab.org>; dsg-eic_dirc at jlab.org <dsg-eic_dirc at jlab.org>
Subject: Re: [dsg-eic_dirc] Readout for the DIRC QA laser lab

I think Tyler mentioned that particular Keithley because we've used it before for doing small current measurements on silicon sensors for the CLAS12 SVT. I don't know what its availability would be for use in the DIRC test setup.

You can do a simple resistor, but you'll most likely run into noise/speed issues.

At the very least if you wanted to make a circuit yourself you'd want to do something with an op-amp.

Here's some slides with a pretty good overview of the issues with reading out a photodiode:
https://e2e.ti.com/cfs-file/__key/CommunityServer.Discussions.Components.Files/14/4370.PhotodiodeAmplifers.pdf

And some circuit diagrams:
https://www.ti.com/lit/an/sboa061/sboa061.pdf
https://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/Appnotes/01494A.pdf

A transimpedance amplifier is what I'd go with rather than spending the time/effort trying to develop a circuit in house, with the caveat that the output of the photodiode needs to verified as most of those don't handle a lot of current. Once it is a voltage output there are all sorts of ways to read that into whatever the DAQ system ends up being.

> On Sep 26, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Grzegorz Kalicy <gkalicy at jlab.org> wrote:
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> Hi Tyler,
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> Thanks a lot for quick feedback!
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> I think we would like to change readout to voltage, it seems to be easier to handle. One person suggested I need a transimpedance amplifier for that but other said a simple resistor suffices... would it be part of the circuit from page 2 in spec:
> https://www.thorlabs.com/drawings/d3c75d389e4cb97e-309FEEC9-C8A5-6AE6-44C9015816931D45/SM1PD2A-SpecSheet.pdf
> ?
>  It seems 5V is required only for pulsed lasers and I have constant wave so we can just ground the cathode. Could we solder these circuits at JLab?
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> If we would indeed switch to voltage, what would you suggest? And you were right about reading out two channels.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Greg
> From: Tyler Lemon <tlemon at jlab.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 12:22 PM
> To: Grzegorz Kalicy <gkalicy at jlab.org>; dsg-eic_dirc at jlab.org <dsg-eic_dirc at jlab.org>
> Subject: Re: Readout for the DIRC QA laser lab
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> Hi Greg,
>
> That is something that I can help out with.
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> From the specs of the photodiodes and laser, it looks like the maximum current we can expect (if everything is perfect and everything behaves ideally) is ~12 mA when the 442-nm wavelength is used. It also looks like we'll have two photodiodes to measure at the same time during tests.
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> With that, something like a Keithley Model 6482, dual-channel picoammeter could be helpful.
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> This picoammeter has a readout range of 1 fA - 20 mA and also has built-in GPIB and RS-232 interfaces for remote control in addition to a local readout screen.
> It's base cost is ~$6,500 according to their website
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> Does this fit into what you're looking for in terms of "quick" and "relatively cheap"?
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>
> -Tyler
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> From: Grzegorz Kalicy <gkalicy at jlab.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 1:24 PM
> To: Tyler Lemon <tlemon at jlab.org>
> Subject: Readout for the DIRC QA laser lab
>
> Hi Tyler,
>
> As I mentioned some time ago I'm trying to avoid unnecessarily complicated readout for photodiodes that we used in original setup in GSI. However, I'm struggling a bit with finding best option (quick, relatively cheap, and useable later for final automatized setup version). Who in DSG I could reach out for advise?
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> Cheers,
>
> Greg
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