[Dsg-halla_gem] new test ECAL prototype

shahinya at jlab.org shahinya at jlab.org
Tue Nov 1 01:15:00 EDT 2022 

Hi Marc,

Thanks for new heater photo.
Can you please tell me what the white wire is?
Also I don't see anything at the end of the
wires to connect to the power supply.

Thank you,
Albert

> [cid:ec6b891e-de33-4c87-a5fc-032138a939a0]Hi Albert and Bogdan,
>
> Per our conversation this morning, I have delivered 11 heaters to your lab
> (EEL 122). I will use the 12th heater to develop and test the controls and
> monitoring.
>
> I will set up a meeting to discuss the project and send an invite to this
> mailing list.
>
> Regards,
> Marc
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dsg-halla_gem <dsg-halla_gem-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of Marc
> Mcmullen via Dsg-halla_gem <dsg-halla_gem at jlab.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:48 PM
> To: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
> Cc: dsg-halla_gem at jlab.org <dsg-halla_gem at jlab.org>; Donald Jones
> <jonesdc at jlab.org>
> Subject: Re: [Dsg-halla_gem] new test ECAL prototype
>
> Hi Albert,
>
> I have reached out to the vendor to see the status of the shipment. When
> the heaters arrive I will need one to develop the controls and monitoring.
> We will also need a supermodule.
>
>  I’ll notify Bogdan when I receive the heaters and at that point we’ll
> plan a meeting to discuss the progress of the testing as well as the
> controls and monitoring.
>
> Regards,
> Marc
>
> ________________________________
> From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 11:35 AM
> To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
> Cc: Mark Jones <jones at jlab.org>; Bogdan Wojtsekhowski <bogdanw at jlab.org>;
> Donald Jones <jonesdc at jlab.org>
> Subject: Re: new test ECAL prototype
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> Please tell me you got a new heater?
> When you get it, give it to Bogdan.
> Donald is making a new HAList for new thermal tests.
>
> Thank you,
> Albert
>
>> Hi Albert,
>>
>> Attached is the drawing for CHR part number 21343. This is the custom
>> silicon heater we have ordered.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Marc
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 2:31 AM
>> To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
>> Cc: Mark Jones <jones at jlab.org>; Bogdan Wojtsekhowski <bogdanw at jlab.org>
>> Subject: new test ECAL prototype
>>
>> Hi Marc,
>>
>> Please send me the model of the new heater
>> and the data sheet which you recommend.
>> We need this information to compile a HAlist for a new thermal
>> test.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Albert
>>
>>> Hi Albert,
>>>
>>> I ordered 12 heaters with RTDs, all the units ordered have 96” cables.
>>>
>>> Procurement got the order placed yesterday. I expect delivery by mid
>>> October.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 6:43 AM
>>> To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
>>> Cc: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>; dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org
>>> <dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Dsg-halla_ecal] ECAL heater
>>>
>>> Hi Marc,
>>>
>>> When you spoke to the salesperson, did you tell them that the
>>> connecting
>>> wires must be at least 8 feet long?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Albert
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Albert,
>>>>
>>>> I have ordered the silicon heaters and have been in contact with the
>>>> buyer, so that part has started. I expect delivery in the first week
>>>> of
>>>> October.
>>>>
>>>> Amrit has advised that we focus on the controls, so with that in mind
>>>> we
>>>> will not commit DSG resources to assembling the 6 supermodule test
>>>> stand.
>>>> Brian and I will start working on developing controls and monitoring
>>>> for
>>>> the heaters and sensors.
>>>>
>>>> I will set a meeting for next week so we can discuss our strategy for
>>>> controls and monitoring.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 2:56 PM
>>>> To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
>>>> Cc: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>; dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org
>>>> <dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Dsg-halla_ecal] ECAL heater
>>>>
>>>> Hi Marc,
>>>>
>>>> Today I discussed your proposal with Bogdan,
>>>> and we confirm the order of the heater.
>>>> Please order 12 heater and test with 6 SM.
>>>> You also need to install an aluminum bars
>>>> on the sides of the super modules.
>>>> You need to control the temperature in front
>>>> and behind the lead glass.
>>>> If you need help creating a prototype, we can
>>>> arrange a meeting and discuss?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Albert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Albert,
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the email from the manufacture. These can run at 250C
>>>>> continuously. The main point is that we have a quote for units which
>>>>> can
>>>>> be purchased for testing at 250C to confirm if this will work.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are still looking for other options.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have just left you a voice mail on this project.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We are comfortable with having the heaters quoted here run at 250C on
>>>>> a
>>>>> continuous basis.​
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of the construction has been changed:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   *   Wire wound heating element
>>>>>   *   High Temperature Silicone Rubber
>>>>>   *   Not a UL approved and stamped heater
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We’d still have a maximum of (12) heaters which can be connected
>>>>> together in parallel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve shown the cost of having (10) Heaters Expedited on our Fast
>>>>> Track
>>>>> Service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any questions please let me know!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  ​
>>>>>
>>>>> David Podolsky
>>>>>
>>>>> 845-758-0700
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> should
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 1:12 AM
>>>>> To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
>>>>> Cc: dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org <dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dsg-halla_ecal] ECAL heater
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Marc
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm worried about 250C max. All the time this heater
>>>>> will work the maximum mode.
>>>>> When testing the prototype in the front flange SM, we reached 250C,
>>>>> which
>>>>> is half the maximum operating temperature of the heater that I used.
>>>>> How many days continuously can this heater operate at maximum?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Albert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have received a quote for custom silicon heaters with built in
>>>>>> temperature sensors. The manufacture specified the max temperature
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> 250
>>>>>> degrees Celsius. The total watts per heater is 125.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The quote states the operating voltage is 120VAC, but I have
>>>>>> confirmed
>>>>>> that 48VDC will work as well. I am still waiting on specifications
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> current, which will be higher if you use the lower voltage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The cost for a test amount of 10 heaters with built in temperature
>>>>>> sensors
>>>>>> and 96" cables is $825 (total). We can get these in-house within 2
>>>>>> weeks
>>>>>> of an order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The cost per heater for the full compliment is $57.50 per heater.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am including the quote and a materials composition specification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if you want me to write a requisition, and confirm the
>>>>>> account
>>>>>> codes to charge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Marc
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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