[Dsg-halla_gem] new test ECAL prototype
Marc Mcmullen
mcmullen at jlab.org
Tue Nov 1 10:27:16 EDT 2022
Hi Albert,
I have attached a labeled picture of the heater. The long set of white wires are the power cables, the short white cables are extensions to be used to chain more than one heater together, in parallel, to a single supply channel. If these are not used, the conductors will be covered.
The cable ends are just stripped back, we have not specified the connector yet. The connection to power distribution will determine how the cables are terminated.
Regards,
Marc[cid:319359a2-afbf-4636-8180-46a58dd56555]
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From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 1:15 AM
To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
Cc: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>; dsg-halla_gem at jlab.org <dsg-halla_gem at jlab.org>; Donald Jones <jonesdc at jlab.org>
Subject: Re: new test ECAL prototype
Hi Marc,
Thanks for new heater photo.
Can you please tell me what the white wire is?
Also I don't see anything at the end of the
wires to connect to the power supply.
Thank you,
Albert
> [cid:ec6b891e-de33-4c87-a5fc-032138a939a0]Hi Albert and Bogdan,
>
> Per our conversation this morning, I have delivered 11 heaters to your lab
> (EEL 122). I will use the 12th heater to develop and test the controls and
> monitoring.
>
> I will set up a meeting to discuss the project and send an invite to this
> mailing list.
>
> Regards,
> Marc
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dsg-halla_gem <dsg-halla_gem-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of Marc
> Mcmullen via Dsg-halla_gem <dsg-halla_gem at jlab.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:48 PM
> To: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
> Cc: dsg-halla_gem at jlab.org <dsg-halla_gem at jlab.org>; Donald Jones
> <jonesdc at jlab.org>
> Subject: Re: [Dsg-halla_gem] new test ECAL prototype
>
> Hi Albert,
>
> I have reached out to the vendor to see the status of the shipment. When
> the heaters arrive I will need one to develop the controls and monitoring.
> We will also need a supermodule.
>
> I’ll notify Bogdan when I receive the heaters and at that point we’ll
> plan a meeting to discuss the progress of the testing as well as the
> controls and monitoring.
>
> Regards,
> Marc
>
> ________________________________
> From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 11:35 AM
> To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
> Cc: Mark Jones <jones at jlab.org>; Bogdan Wojtsekhowski <bogdanw at jlab.org>;
> Donald Jones <jonesdc at jlab.org>
> Subject: Re: new test ECAL prototype
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> Please tell me you got a new heater?
> When you get it, give it to Bogdan.
> Donald is making a new HAList for new thermal tests.
>
> Thank you,
> Albert
>
>> Hi Albert,
>>
>> Attached is the drawing for CHR part number 21343. This is the custom
>> silicon heater we have ordered.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Marc
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 2:31 AM
>> To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
>> Cc: Mark Jones <jones at jlab.org>; Bogdan Wojtsekhowski <bogdanw at jlab.org>
>> Subject: new test ECAL prototype
>>
>> Hi Marc,
>>
>> Please send me the model of the new heater
>> and the data sheet which you recommend.
>> We need this information to compile a HAlist for a new thermal
>> test.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Albert
>>
>>> Hi Albert,
>>>
>>> I ordered 12 heaters with RTDs, all the units ordered have 96” cables.
>>>
>>> Procurement got the order placed yesterday. I expect delivery by mid
>>> October.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 6:43 AM
>>> To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
>>> Cc: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>; dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org
>>> <dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Dsg-halla_ecal] ECAL heater
>>>
>>> Hi Marc,
>>>
>>> When you spoke to the salesperson, did you tell them that the
>>> connecting
>>> wires must be at least 8 feet long?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Albert
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Albert,
>>>>
>>>> I have ordered the silicon heaters and have been in contact with the
>>>> buyer, so that part has started. I expect delivery in the first week
>>>> of
>>>> October.
>>>>
>>>> Amrit has advised that we focus on the controls, so with that in mind
>>>> we
>>>> will not commit DSG resources to assembling the 6 supermodule test
>>>> stand.
>>>> Brian and I will start working on developing controls and monitoring
>>>> for
>>>> the heaters and sensors.
>>>>
>>>> I will set a meeting for next week so we can discuss our strategy for
>>>> controls and monitoring.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 2:56 PM
>>>> To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
>>>> Cc: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>; dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org
>>>> <dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Dsg-halla_ecal] ECAL heater
>>>>
>>>> Hi Marc,
>>>>
>>>> Today I discussed your proposal with Bogdan,
>>>> and we confirm the order of the heater.
>>>> Please order 12 heater and test with 6 SM.
>>>> You also need to install an aluminum bars
>>>> on the sides of the super modules.
>>>> You need to control the temperature in front
>>>> and behind the lead glass.
>>>> If you need help creating a prototype, we can
>>>> arrange a meeting and discuss?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Albert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Albert,
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the email from the manufacture. These can run at 250C
>>>>> continuously. The main point is that we have a quote for units which
>>>>> can
>>>>> be purchased for testing at 250C to confirm if this will work.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are still looking for other options.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have just left you a voice mail on this project.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We are comfortable with having the heaters quoted here run at 250C on
>>>>> a
>>>>> continuous basis.​
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of the construction has been changed:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> * Wire wound heating element
>>>>> * High Temperature Silicone Rubber
>>>>> * Not a UL approved and stamped heater
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We’d still have a maximum of (12) heaters which can be connected
>>>>> together in parallel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve shown the cost of having (10) Heaters Expedited on our Fast
>>>>> Track
>>>>> Service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any questions please let me know!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ​
>>>>>
>>>>> David Podolsky
>>>>>
>>>>> 845-758-0700
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: shahinya at jlab.org <shahinya at jlab.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 1:12 AM
>>>>> To: Marc Mcmullen <mcmullen at jlab.org>
>>>>> Cc: dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org <dsg-halla_ecal at jlab.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dsg-halla_ecal] ECAL heater
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Marc
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm worried about 250C max. All the time this heater
>>>>> will work the maximum mode.
>>>>> When testing the prototype in the front flange SM, we reached 250C,
>>>>> which
>>>>> is half the maximum operating temperature of the heater that I used.
>>>>> How many days continuously can this heater operate at maximum?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Albert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have received a quote for custom silicon heaters with built in
>>>>>> temperature sensors. The manufacture specified the max temperature
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> 250
>>>>>> degrees Celsius. The total watts per heater is 125.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The quote states the operating voltage is 120VAC, but I have
>>>>>> confirmed
>>>>>> that 48VDC will work as well. I am still waiting on specifications
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> current, which will be higher if you use the lower voltage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The cost for a test amount of 10 heaters with built in temperature
>>>>>> sensors
>>>>>> and 96" cables is $825 (total). We can get these in-house within 2
>>>>>> weeks
>>>>>> of an order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The cost per heater for the full compliment is $57.50 per heater.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am including the quote and a materials composition specification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if you want me to write a requisition, and confirm the
>>>>>> account
>>>>>> codes to charge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Marc
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>>>>>
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