[Dsg-rich] [dsg-svt] [Dsg-mvt] space in back of EEL 125

Mon Sep 25 21:17:29 EDT 2017

Dear Walt,

I will be attending the same Ready4Science review. Same for Maxime and 
Marco. The review should be done by 11:30 am. I am available after that. 
We already talked today with Marco and agreed that we could come up with 
a solution which would not require the CVT relocation. We could explain 
the reasoning why we don't think such relocation is a good idea. Apart 
from the significant amount of extra work and loss of the commissioning 
time, there are detector safety and extra risk analysis issues (SVT and 
MVT OSP, ODH, flammable gas, DA signatures are only valid for EEL124).

Ignoring all the offending language inappropriate by JLab standards of 
conduct, I would only clarify that I was indeed helping the janitor 
reportedly hired by the DSG to clean the EEL124 during the SVT 
assembling activities in the period when it was critical for the 
project. I insisted on patching the broken floor for the same reason. 
Did vacuum cleaning and floor mopping multiple times, signed the 
cleaning schedule paper posted in the gowning room. When SVT was 
integrated and purged with nitrogen, it became adequate for the project 
activities in the clean room to have less frequent cleanings (done 
solely by the mentioned janitor). Most of the SVT commissioning activity 
nowadays is done remotely, no mess created :-). I am not aware of any 
DSG requests for other users of the clean room (DC, MM, RICH) to 
participate in the cleaning. Claiming that the cleaning should be done 
only by me and the hired janitor is strange.

On 9/25/17 8:20 PM, Walt Akers / JLAB wrote:
> I'll see if I can get together with Amrit, Youri and their folks in
> the morning and see if we can come to an accord.  I'll update you
> in the afternoon...
>
> Walt
>
> Patrizia Rossi wrote:
>> Dear Walt,
>>
>> tomorrow morning Stepan and I are busy with the Hall B science 
>> readiness review.
>> I can be available after 2.30 pm (at 1.30 pm I have the Hall A 
>> meeting) but I don’t know about Stepan.
>>
>> patrizia
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> # Patrizia Rossi
>> # Jefferson Lab
>> # 12000 Jefferson Avenue
>> # Suite 5
>> # Newport News VA 23606 (USA)
>> # e-mail: rossi at jlab.org
>> # phone: +1 (757) 269 7740
>> # fax: + 1 (757) 269 5800
>> # cell: +1 (757) 528 7606
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 25/set/2017, at 20:12, Walt Akers / JLAB <akers at jlab.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good evening all...
>>>
>>> Sadly, I spent most of my afternoon programming, so I didn't
>>> engage this until a few minutes ago.  Needless to say, I believe
>>> we can resolve the space issues with a minimal amount of fuss
>>> if we get together and work through the issues.
>>>
>>> Let me speak with Patrizia and Stepan tomorrow and see if they
>>> have some time to join us tomorrow morning and we'll decide
>>> what the best approach is to keep everyone on schedule and,
>>> perhaps, tidying things up a bit.
>>>
>>> Walt
>>>
>>> Marco Contalbrigo wrote:
>>>> Dear Amrit,
>>>> let me try to summarize my present understanding about
>>>> EEL-125 use.
>>>>
>>>> Space: RICH assembling would likely need more space than
>>>> expected due to the complex procedure and several
>>>> delicate elements. However, looking at the screenshot
>>>> of Bob Miller, I realized the SVT+MM system will be
>>>> moved out of the clean room at the end of October.
>>>> This will free the space in time for the most critical
>>>> activity (aerogel assembling). To remove unnecessary
>>>> stuff or re-organize part of the services (i.e. tables)
>>>> might solve the issue without the need of moving
>>>> the SVT+MM in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Clean: the RICH group has always scheduled a cleanup
>>>> action between the tasks to be performed before
>>>> the critical element assembling. This cleanup
>>>> has not been very well defined yet but the actions
>>>> Yuri is listing are all going in the same direction.
>>>> I am in favor of them. Who should do what has
>>>> to be agreeded, and RICH will cover his part by sure.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, I might not have all the details under
>>>> control and I am at disposal to further discuss the
>>>> above points in order to reach a practical agreement.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards, Marco.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Amrit Yegneswaran wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> your understanding of the situation is meager, at best 
>>>>> unsatisfactory!
>>>>> but that's ok
>>>>> not 2 years ago you were doing the kazatsky to maintain the clean 
>>>>> room.
>>>>> hallb engineering, you , and dsg were supposed to take turns 
>>>>> keeping the clean room
>>>>> clean.
>>>>> we had a meeting with patrizia.
>>>>> george wrote up command orders.
>>>>> dsg even hired a person to keep the room clean.
>>>>> she still cleans the place.
>>>>> but to the best of my knowledge, neither you, nor hallb 
>>>>> engineering, nor the mvt
>>>>> crew etc etc who use the room did diddly squat of cleaning.
>>>>> capire!
>>>>>
>>>>> be it known to all that dsg is not the local janitorial group.
>>>>> do what you preach.
>>>>> organize a group to do all the things you are suggesting, 
>>>>> participate. go ahead
>>>>> make my day.
>>>>> the guys who made the mess should be the guys who should be 
>>>>> cleaning the mess,
>>>>> isn't that so?
>>>>>
>>>>> having said this, if you continue knowingly or unknowingly 
>>>>> (ignorance is no excuse)
>>>>> on this track, you'll not only upset me but the entire dsg group, 
>>>>> including brian!
>>>>> think about it. that kid has iron in his soul.
>>>>>
>>>>> the tzar's era ended long ago son!
>>>>> so, knock it off
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ 
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Yuri Gotra" <gotra at jlab.org>
>>>>> To: "Amrit Yegneswaran" <yeg at jlab.org>
>>>>> Cc: "dsg-rich" <dsg-rich at jlab.org>, "dsg-svt" <dsg-svt at jlab.org>, 
>>>>> "rmiller"
>>>>> <rmiller at jlab.org>, "Maxime Defurne" <mdefurne at jlab.org>, 
>>>>> "Patrizia Rossi"
>>>>> <rossi at jlab.org>, "Volker Burkert" <burkert at jlab.org>, 
>>>>> dsg-mvt at jlab.org,
>>>>> dsg-ft at jlab.org, "Franck Sabatié" <fsabatie at gmail.com>, "Walt Akers"
>>>>> <akers at jlab.org>, "Marco Contalbrigo" <mcontalb at fe.infn.it>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:38:56 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [dsg-svt] [Dsg-mvt] [Dsg-rich] space in back of EEL 125
>>>>>
>>>>> My understanding is that the question for RICH assembly is more 
>>>>> related to the
>>>>> condition of the clean room rather than the lack of space. In any 
>>>>> case there are
>>>>> some actions which could benefit both.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is what could be done:
>>>>>
>>>>> - remove items being stored in EEL124 which are not related to 
>>>>> CLAS12 commissioning
>>>>> activity ongoing in EEL124 (this would provide extra space and 
>>>>> make the room
>>>>> cleaner)
>>>>>
>>>>> - enforce the clean room rules (gowning, moving items to the clean 
>>>>> room, etc.)
>>>>>
>>>>> - clean the gowning area and replace the sticky mats (the present 
>>>>> lat mat is ugly
>>>>> and violates the rules)
>>>>>
>>>>> - put patches on the broken floor epoxy coating (walking on the 
>>>>> broken coating
>>>>> generates dust)
>>>>>
>>>>> - vacuum clean the floor and the top of the remaining cabinets
>>>>>
>>>>> - check the status of the EEL124 dust monitor
>>>>>
>>>>> - consider building the canopy over the RICH (check with Youri 
>>>>> Sharabian whether he
>>>>> could provide his HTCC clean room parts)
>>>>>
>>>>> There are 2 weeks after the scheduled moving of the CVT to the 
>>>>> hall (October 30)
>>>>> when RICH will be the only user of the clean room.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/25/17 3:15 PM, Yuri Gotra wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>       We did not receive any request from RICH group that they need
>>>>>       additional space. Per prior agreement with RICH group and 
>>>>> Walt the CVT
>>>>>       will stay in EEL124 till it will be moved to the hall. Small 
>>>>> (SVT)
>>>>>       clean room was made available for RICH assembly. I will 
>>>>> check with
>>>>>       Marco.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       On 9/25/17 3:05 PM, Amrit Yegneswaran wrote:
>>>>>       we are looking at a new chapter on how to proceed, given the
>>>>>       delay.
>>>>> not a re-iteration of the old schedule.
>>>>> in the end, if appropriate and reasonable changes aren't implemented
>>>>> one shouldn't be surprised at the outcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> RICH needs clean room space at the back where the SVT/MVT is to
>>>>> assemble the aerogel/the mirrors etc.
>>>>> the svt/mvt doesn't need clean room space for cosmic data, am i 
>>>>> wrong?
>>>>> anyway, mine is only to suggest how to run things smoothly as i 
>>>>> see it,
>>>>> not enforce it.
>>>>> klaro!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
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