[Erd108] call for FY24 R&D proposals and reports

Thu Jul 6 01:52:06 EDT 2023

Hi Alexander,
I see your point, but in that case I would argue that since the design and tooling are already available, we can just request funding for the fabrication of the uRWELL PCB from CERN if you think a full detector could be assembled within a year.
This way, we still get to complete the R&D on the cylindrical in parallel
Best regards
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: call for FY24 R&D proposals and reports

Hi Alexander,

We are already in the process of testing that medium-size with the cylindrical detector, so I don’t think there is much point to flattening it out and building yet another intermediate-size gas envelope.

Marcus

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Subject: Re: call for FY24 R&D proposals and reports

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  Hi All,

  actually, after some thinking, I still don't understand why cannot we propose reusing the existing cylindrical prototype foils in a flat configuration, in addition to building a large dummy mockup, in the same proposal. The rationale is that indeed one year is not enough to build a large one, fine, but what's wrong about pretending we test a medium size one on the readout side, as an intermediate step to whatever happens past FY24, along with exploring mechanical and Co limitations of a full size detector? Then, whatever happens after FY24, we claim that we know how to build large frames, and we know that a reasonable size uRWell with a sparse readout works, beyond which point a full size working detector is the only remaining option to proceed. Otherwise we will always be kind of missing this intermediate scaling step from ~10cm to ~1m, to formulate a credible proposal next time IMHO.

  Cheers,

    Alexander.

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Subject: FW: call for FY24 R&D proposals and reports

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Subject: Re: [External] Re: [Erd108] Quick meeting today

Hi Alexander,

Meeting is at 3PM

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Subject: [External] Re: [Erd108] Quick meeting today

  Hi Kondo,

  unless the meeting took place at 2pm already, hat is the zoom link?

  Cheers,

    Alexander.

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Subject: [Erd108] Quick meeting today

Dear all,

Let’s have a quick meeting today to finalize the eRD108 proposal

I would suggest 2pm EST. We can move the time around to whichever works for all

I will send the zoom links later but it is the same eRD108 in case i forget

Francesco:

If you can not make it, could you still take care of the Micromegas section of the document addressing both progress report and proposal

The document is due this Friday. We are frighteningly late

Best regards

Kondo

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