[Erd108] [EXTERNAL] Re: call for FY24 R&D proposals and reports

Thu Jul 6 09:27:31 EDT 2023

Dear All,
Just to support Alexander's approach I would like to inform you that in my
lab there are 4-5 GEM foils (framed, ready to be used) trapezoid shape,
size: X - 27.5 x 44.5. Y - 47.5 cm. (active area).
 Needed construction space and test facility are available.
 So, the "mechanical" step can be very close to pre production prototype.
 I am sure that the needed size (and shape) MMG can be prepared in one
year. It should be confirmed of course.
Best regards, Nikolai.

On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 1:52 AM Kondo Gnanvo <kagnanvo at jlab.org> wrote:

> Hi Alexander,
> I see your point, but in that case I would argue that since the design and
> tooling are already available, we can just request funding for the
> fabrication of the uRWELL PCB from CERN if you think a full detector could
> be assembled within a year.
> This way, we still get to complete the R&D on the cylindrical in parallel
> Best regards
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> *From:* Marcus Hohlmann <hohlmann at fit.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 5, 2023 11:20:08 PM
> *To:* Kiselev, Alexander <ayk at bnl.gov>; Kondo Gnanvo <kagnanvo at jlab.org>;
> Matthew Posik <posik at temple.edu>; erd108 at jlab.org <erd108 at jlab.org>;
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> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] RE: call for FY24 R&D proposals and reports
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> Hi Alexander,
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> We are already in the process of testing that medium-size with the
> cylindrical detector, so I don’t think there is much point to flattening it
> out and building yet another intermediate-size gas envelope.
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> Marcus
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> *From:* Kiselev, Alexander <ayk at bnl.gov>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 05, 2023 5:12 PM
> *To:* Kondo Gnanvo <kagnanvo at jlab.org>; Matthew Posik <posik at temple.edu>;
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> *Subject:* Re: call for FY24 R&D proposals and reports
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>   Hi All,
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>
>   actually, after some thinking, I still don't understand why cannot we
> propose reusing the existing cylindrical prototype foils in a flat
> configuration, in addition to building a large dummy mockup, in the same
> proposal. The rationale is that indeed one year is not enough to build a
> large one, fine, but what's wrong about pretending we test a medium size
> one on the readout side, as an intermediate step to whatever happens past
> FY24, along with exploring mechanical and Co limitations of a full size
> detector? Then, whatever happens after FY24, we claim that we know how to
> build large frames, and we know that a reasonable size uRWell with a sparse
> readout works, beyond which point a full size working detector is the only
> remaining option to proceed. Otherwise we will always be kind of missing
> this intermediate scaling step from ~10cm to ~1m, to formulate a credible
> proposal next time IMHO.
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>   Cheers,
>
>     Alexander.
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> *From:* Kondo Gnanvo <kagnanvo at jlab.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 5, 2023 3:52 PM
> *To:* Matthew Posik <posik at temple.edu>; Kiselev, Alexander <ayk at bnl.gov>;
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> *Subject:* FW: call for FY24 R&D proposals and reports
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> *From:* Matthew Posik <posik at temple.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 5, 2023 3:07 PM
> *To:* Kiselev, Alexander <ayk at bnl.gov>; Kondo Gnanvo <kagnanvo at jlab.org>;
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> *Subject:* Re: [External] Re: [Erd108] Quick meeting today
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> Hi Alexander,
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> Meeting is at 3PM
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> *From:* Kiselev, Alexander <ayk at bnl.gov>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 5, 2023 3:06 PM
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> *Subject:* [External] Re: [Erd108] Quick meeting today
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>   Hi Kondo,
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>   unless the meeting took place at 2pm already, hat is the zoom link?
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>   Cheers,
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>     Alexander.
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> *From:* Erd108 <erd108-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of Kondo Gnanvo <
> kagnanvo at jlab.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 5, 2023 9:38 AM
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> Azmoun, Bob <azmoun at bnl.gov>; Tarafdar, Sourav <
> sourav.tarafdar at vanderbilt.edu>; Huong Nguyen <htn3r.uva at gmail.com>;
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> *Subject:* [Erd108] Quick meeting today
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> Dear all,
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> Let’s have a quick meeting today to finalize the eRD108 proposal
>
> I would suggest 2pm EST. We can move the time around to whichever works
> for all
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> I will send the zoom links later but it is the same eRD108 in case i forget
>
> Francesco:
>
> If you can not make it, could you still take care of the Micromegas
> section of the document addressing both progress report and proposal
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> The document is due this Friday. We are frighteningly late
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> Best regards
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> Kondo
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