[G12] g12 publication authorship recommendation
Eugene Pasyuk
pasyuk at jlab.org
Wed Oct 18 12:40:00 EDT 2017
g12 is not different.
The limited membership was introduced for exactly this reason, to be able to include people who are not full or term members but contributed to particular analysis.
All you need to do is submit application for limited membership for these people. Then it is up to the lead authors to decide if they go into lead author group or together with the rest of the collaboration. We have several papers where limited members were listed within leading group. But most importantly you have to ask them first if they want to be listed. Let them decide if they want to sign a paper or not. This is why we switched from OPT-OUT to OPT-IN default policy.
-Eugene
----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Price" <jprice at csudh.edu>
> To: "Eugene Pasyuk" <pasyuk at jlab.org>
> Cc: "g12 at jlab.org g12 at jlab.org" <g12 at jlab.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 12:26:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [G12] g12 publication authorship recommendation
> "Four legs good, two legs bad!"
>
> The real issue here is largely that g12 is in fact "different" from all
> previous analyses, in that we have a general analysis note that was
> written, in part, by people who are neither full nor term members of
> CLAS. To the extent that physics analyses make use of the work
> contained in this analysis note, it would be intellectually dishonest
> and against the APS guidelines on authorship (and also, technically,
> plagiarism) to *not* include them as authors on the papers resulting
> from those analyses.
>
> As for including them in a "second tier" of authorship, that can be
> debated. However, I find it troubling that anyone planning to publish
> something out of g12, who benefits from the general analysis note, would
> not be willing to include the people responsible for that note on their
> resulting papers.
>
> John
>
> On Wed, 2017-10-18 at 12:11 -0400, Eugene Pasyuk wrote:
>> The discussion sounds Orwellian
>> All animals are equal but some are more equal than others
>>
>>
>> -Eugene
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> From: "Paul Eugenio" <peugenio at fsu.edu>
>> To: "Volker Crede" <vcrede at fsu.edu>
>> Cc: "g12 at jlab.org g12 at jlab.org" <g12 at jlab.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 11:42:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [G12] g12 publication authorship recommendation
>> Again, I think there is some misunderstanding and over
>> reaction. In hindsight, proper choice of wording such as lead
>> authors and ordering as apposed to First and second lead
>> author lists likely would have clarified the recommendation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Prof. Paul Eugenio
>> Florida State University
>> Department of Physics
>> Tallahassee, Florida, USA 32306
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>> peugenio at fsu.edu
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>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 9:38 AM, Volker Crede
>> <vcrede at fsu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Good Morning,
>>
>>
>> I agree with Susan’s question(s). A novel approach to
>> CLAS authorship needs to go through the CLAS
>> Coordinating Committee and requires a
>> collaboration-wide discussion.
>>
>>
>> I don’t see what we are trying to accomplish here.
>> There was nothing special about the g12 experiment
>> that would justify a new authorship procedure. Quite
>> the contrary, the proposed unique approach would raise
>> all kinds of ethical concerns. From a personal point
>> of view, I already find the usual first-authorship
>> system somewhat questionable. A three-tier system
>> would give extra credit to the g12 run group but
>> simultaneously, would send a strong message to the
>> rest of the collaboration.
>>
>>
>> Please remove the FSU people from the secondary lead
>> author list.
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>>
>> Volker
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 3:21 AM, Susan Schadmand
>> <s.schadmand at fz-juelich.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Lei,
>>
>> just a naive question - why do we need this,
>> is the authorship not defined via rules of the
>> collaboration?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Su.
>>
>> Susan Schadmand
>> www.fz-juelich.de/ikp
>> On 17.10.17 22:30, Lei Guo wrote:
>>
>> As promised, please check the summary
>> for today’s discussion on the g12
>> publication authorship. Please let me
>> know if you see some wording that
>> needs to be changed.
>>
>>
>> https://clasweb.jlab.org/rungroups/g12/wiki/index.php/Dissertations_and_Publications#g12_publication_authorship_recommendation
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Lei
>>
>>
>> Lei Guo
>> Associate Professor
>> Physics Department
>> Florida International University
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