[Moller_intdet] summer students

[Michael Gericke]

Hi Juliette,

I want to have a phone call with Wim and KK to discuss the
possibility of applying for a small equipment grant through
NSERC this fall. If this goes ahead (and I don't see a reason
why  not) then Rob would be the one to write (with my help)
the grant proposal this summer.

So what has to happen first this summer are a few
simulations for the geometries that KK and his group
now have in the CAD and the development of some
prototype assembly design; something that can be put
into the hall for testing when we have beam, without
disturbing the running experiment. In addition, since this
is a benchmarking exercise, I think it would be nice to
build a prototype ion chamber, just to see if the resolution
for GeV electrons is really that poor and to see how sensitive
they are to background. This is a little more complicated (as
Dave pointed out to me) since this involves building a pressure
vessel which has to satisfy the JLab used engineering code.
So someone would have to go talk to a JLab engineer about
that.

The design and simulations can then be used in the proposal.


What we need for the proposal:

1) Purpose and goal:
      That one is easy: benchmark simulations and
       selection of detector material/geometry etc ...

2) Physics and working principle:
     This should be clear!

3) Time line:
      There is not much room to play with. If the proposal
      gets put in this fall and ends up being successful, then the
      money  would be available April 1st, 2012. I have some
      money (about 10k - 20k) available now to get started, which I would
      replace in April, if the grant is successful, but the major question
      is how expensive the quartz pieces will be and how long it would
      take to get them after the order is placed. The people I
      know of who might have an estimate of these are Dave Mack
      and Mark Pitt.

4) Cost estimates (with quotes):
     - Two quartz pieces for each geometry (how many are there ?)
     - Suitable PMTs and divider hardware (this may all be stuff that can
       be found at the lab already, but is should be in the proposal for
       completeness and because it is good to show that some of the
       costs are covered by other source ... leverage)
     - Any other hardware needed
     - DAQ: use a free qweak MD channel ?

5) Manpower
     - You
     - Rob
     - Students
       Summer students are fine, but it would be good if a Canadian
       graduate student was involved for HQP (training of highly qualified
       personnel accounting)  which increases the chances for grant success.
       I am thinking about Scott at some small fraction of his time.

So, to answer your question Juliette, I would say it is clear that there is
work to be done this summer, but I am not sure it will be hardware work
(yet).

If anyone has any ideas or suggestion, please let me know.

Michael



On 10/06/2011 8:39 AM, Juliette Mammei wrote:
>  Hey guys,
>
> I am going to be mentoring at least one high school summer student.  I 
> think that he will work on a simulation project for MOLLER, either for 
> the main detectors specifically or looking at the photon backgrounds 
> or something like that.
>
> There is another student who needs a mentor; is there a possibility to 
> have her do some work on the prototype detector over the summer?  If 
> so, then I am willing to handle the business side of things to mentor 
> her as well, unless Rob wants to do it himself... I think it will be a 
> good experience.
>
> Talk to you later,
>
> Juliette


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