[Sbs] RC meeting

Thu Sep 23 08:55:08 EDT 2021

Hi Brian and Don,

I completely agree with you that what happened was inappropriate and unprofessional. I waited for two days thinking that there is going to be an apology somewhere but perhaps not. 

NOW would be a good time to put an end to this kind of toxic work culture before we start a long run where people from multiple sub-systems, universities and cultural backgrounds have to come together and help each other. Many collaborators, contact persons, postdocs and graduate students are already under a lot of pressure for deliverables and DO NOT need to put up with this kind of behavior.

Best,

Arun 

> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Donald C Jones <jonesdc at jlab.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bogdan,
> I agree with Brian that your actions were not appropriate. The experiment
> has been delayed several times due to circumstances beyond our control
> like target issues, beam line leaks etc. We hope that further delays do
> not come from the collaboration being unprepared, but that is possible.
> That does not give any of us the right to abuse our human resources, be it
> Alex or even those with less visibility like graduate students. If
> activity on the Slack channel is any evidence of Alex's dedication, those
> problem-solving conversations often start early in the morning and go late
> into the evening. I'm not sure my marriage would last if I worked that
> long. We all need to step back and take a breath and realize that we are
> people not machines doing science. That same humanity that makes us prone
> to failure and sometimes makes us fail to meet deadlines also gives us the
> ability to get excited and curious about the wonders of the universe we
> live in.
> -Don
> 
> 
> 
>> Hi Brian,
>> 
>> I guess that your confusion is due to a simple fact that Alex lost
>> internet connection may be even before my questions.
>> Donald waited for a bit for Alex's reply to my questions before we
>> proceeded to the beam line report from David.
>> Each of us, who took responsibility to deliver the (sub)system for this
>> experiment need to do it on time also should
>> inform collaboration, well in advance, if any problem prevent proper and
>> timely preparation.
>> We suppose to start data taking tomorrow, so each system better to be
>> ready. OK, we have one more week, but it is close.
>> It will be bad to lose beam time due to insufficient readiness.
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Bogdan
>> ________________________________
>> From: Brian Quinn <bquinn at cmu.edu>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:38 AM
>> To: sbs at jlab.org <sbs at jlab.org>; Bogdan Wojtsekhowski <bogdanw at jlab.org>
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Sbs] RC meeting
>> 
>> Hi Bogdan,
>> 
>>      I want to address the way you spoke to Alexandre at Tuesday's first
>> RC meeting.  I understand that you are stressed by worries about
>> whether everything will be ready on time.  I share those concerns.
>> But the way you spoke with Alexandre, by firing a series of
>> questions at him and then not allowing him to answer them, was
>> anything but productive.  I've spoken with other people who were in
>> the meeting who had the same impression as me, that this was
>> harassment, not any productive exchange.  If I had realized sooner
>> how this 'conversation' was evolving into abuse, I would have
>> expressed my objection at the time.  I'm sorry I didn't think fast
>> enough to do so.
>> 
>>      Regardless of your concerns, I believe you owe Alexandre an apology
>> for such treatment.   In future, a more reasonable way to express
>> such concerns would be to give him a written list of questions well
>> in advance and to sit quietly while he addresses them.
>> 
>>      We are all under stress trying to get the experiment ready to run.
>> That is not an excuse to vent our stress on other people.
>> 
>>                        Regards,
>>                        Brian
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Sbs <sbs-bounces at jlab.org> on behalf of Donald C Jones
>> <jonesdc at jlab.org>
>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 3:55 PM
>> To: sbs at jlab.org
>> Subject: [Sbs] RC meeting
>> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> We will have our first daily RC meeting tomorrow (Tuesday Sept 21) at
>> 3:15PM. Please be ready to give an update on your subsystem.
>> 
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>> Your RC,
>> Don
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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