[Dsg-rich] visit to G&R

[Amrit Yegneswaran]

marc , 
you are stating the obvious. 
point is none of our collaborators know what to do and who to check with. 
sometimes i feel, safety itself doesn't have a clue as to what is required etc. etc. 
the whole issue should be discussed at a higher level. 

marco, sorry about your plight. 
much as marc's suggestion sounds good: involve others, including physics division's DSO Ed,etc etc its going to amount to nothing, i.e. you might have to experience dejavu. And that's because there is no clear template. Of course there is a mountain of manuals. 

much as it feels like a blind man, chasing a black cat in a dark room, i suggest you don't get too disheartened. To misquote Lincoln: some people can be stupid all the time, all people can be stupid some time, but all people will not be stupid all the time. the job will get done. 

amrit 


much as 
"Paper has no soul - you can put anything on it." 



From: "Marc Mcmullen" <mcmullen at jlab.org> 
To: "Marco Mirazita" <Marco.Mirazita at lnf.infn.it> 
Cc: "dsg-rich" <dsg-rich at jlab.org> 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 1:56:50 PM 
Subject: Re: [Dsg-rich] visit to G&R 

Marco, 

I agree, there are a lot of requirements needed to get things done. In 
the future I think we will involve others in the planning stage, such as 
Ed Folts, as division safety officer he would be a good resource for 
this kind of information. 

Regards, 

Marc 


On 7/14/2017 1:43 PM, Marco Mirazita wrote: 
> Hi Marc, 
> I discussed with Sandro the situation, I understood that we asked the 
> company to make the weldings following the JLab specification, but we 
> didn't ask for a certification of that, simply because nobody told us 
> to do that. 
> Given that, I think there is not much to discuss with G&R other than 
> accept this new cost revision. 
> However, it is extremely important that we clarify, once and for ever, 
> all the JLab requirements for the construction of such kind of tools. 
> We need to build other tools like this for the RICH, as the new 
> brackets for the strong back and the transportation trolley, the time 
> is short and I don't want to go through all this troubles again. 
> The INFN procedures to arrive at the completion of a PO are 
> sufficiently messy, changing an already approved PO requires almost 
> the same work as to actually build the tool! 
> Thank you anyway for your valuable help. 
> Best regards, 
> Marco 
> 
> 
> 
> Il 2017-07-14 19:06 Marc McMullen ha scritto: 
>> Sandro, 
>> 
>> If you would like to postpone the meeting that is fine. But I believe 
>> you need clarification between G&R and Jlabs requirements. Mike Martin 
>> is offering to go with us, he is aware of what is needed more than the 
>> rest of us. 
>> 
>> What G&R is asking money for is likely the documentation which JLab 
>> needs to allow the tooling on site. At any rate, getting G&R and Mike 
>> in the room at the same time is probably the best thing, it will 
>> probably eliminate any surprises in the future. 
>> 
>> Let me know how you would like to procede. 
>> 
>> Marc 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/14/2017 12:49 PM, Tomassini Sandro wrote: 
>>> Marc, 
>>> 
>>> Marco will not send to the G&R company the OK to go before Monday 
>>> morning. 
>>> 
>>> I think that G&R will not procede to call a AWS certified inspector 
>>> to produce the certificate required by Mike Martin without Marco's OK. 
>>> 
>>> This means that when we will go there on Monday we won't have the 
>>> certificate. 
>>> 
>>> Do you think it is better to postpone the meeting? 
>>> 
>>> Let me know 
>>> 
>>> Sandro 
>>> 

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